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Old 07-24-2017, 07:15 PM
 
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Money magazine did a rating of universities.

Area universities land on Money magazine 'Best College' list | TribLIVE

The magazine evaluated 711 universities and colleges nationwide based several factors including cost, graduation rate, alumni success and educational quality.

Picking out PA colleges, the order is:
Carnegie Mellon University
Waynesburg University
Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania
University of Pittsburgh main campus
Washington & Jefferson College
Duquesne University
Westminster College
Carlow University
St. Vincent College
Robert Morris University
Geneva College
Chatham University
Seton Hill University
California University of Pennsylvania
Indiana University of Pennsylvania
La Roche College

Huh, no Penn State? West Penn fared pretty good, especially Pittsburgh.
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Old 07-24-2017, 07:26 PM
 
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To get the full list.

MONEY

Actually, Penn State is in there, guess they missed it.
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Old 07-25-2017, 07:48 AM
 
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Money magazine did a rating of universities.

Area universities land on Money magazine 'Best College' list | TribLIVE

The magazine evaluated 711 universities and colleges nationwide based several factors including cost, graduation rate, alumni success and educational quality.

Picking out PA colleges, the order is:
Carnegie Mellon University
Waynesburg University
Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania
University of Pittsburgh main campus
Washington & Jefferson College
Duquesne University
Westminster College
Carlow University
St. Vincent College
Robert Morris University
Geneva College
Chatham University
Seton Hill University
California University of Pennsylvania
Indiana University of Pennsylvania
La Roche College

Huh, no Penn State? West Penn fared pretty good, especially Pittsburgh.
It looks like Penn State is 223, higher than anywhere on the list except for Carnegie Mellon. I'm assuming the Trib just isn't counting it as an area school.
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Old 07-25-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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After a quick look at the entire list, I would question a rating system that ranks Waynesburg University higher than Penn State Main Campus, University of Pittsburgh Main campus, Drexel University, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, and Case Western Reserve University.
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Old 07-25-2017, 11:36 AM
 
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After a quick look at the entire list, I would question a rating system that ranks Waynesburg University higher than Penn State Main Campus, University of Pittsburgh Main campus, Drexel University, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, and Case Western Reserve University.
well, look at the criteria: cost, graduation rate are included. How much weight do these have? CMU was cost prohibitive for me for graduate school. There is no way I would have taken on that debt, but I intended on graduating. Multiply that by how many lower economic class (at best) people's decisions.....
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Old 07-25-2017, 12:13 PM
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After a quick look at the entire list, I would question a rating system that ranks Waynesburg University higher than Penn State Main Campus, University of Pittsburgh Main campus, Drexel University, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, and Case Western Reserve University.
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well, look at the criteria: cost, graduation rate are included. How much weight do these have? CMU was cost prohibitive for me for graduate school. There is no way I would have taken on that debt, but I intended on graduating. Multiply that by how many lower economic class (at best) people's decisions.....
So clearly this list is not only about academics. I looked at the methodology, and it's only 1/3 academics, which to them means:
"Six-year graduation rate (30%). This measure is widely recognized as one of the most important indicators of a college's quality.
Value-added graduation rate (30%). This is the difference between a school's actual graduation rate and its expected rate, based on the economic and academic profile of the student body (measured by the percentage of attendees receiving Pell grants, which are given to low-income students, and the average standardized test scores of incoming freshmen).
Peer quality (10%). This is measured by the standardized test scores of entering freshman (5%), and the percentage of accepted students who enroll in that college, known as the "yield" rate (5%).
Instructor quality (10%). This measured by the student-to-faculty ratio.
Financial troubles (20%). This is a new factor added in 2017, as financial difficulties can affect the quality of education, and a growing number of schools are facing funding challenges."


So it's not even all academics in the academic rating! A low student-faculty ratio simply means not a lot of big lecture classes. This is a bias towards smaller colleges, which explains a number of them on the list. This value added graduation rate seems kind of screwy to me, too.

As far as grad school costs, I know it's water-over-the-dam now, but many grad programs offer TAs and such.
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Old 07-25-2017, 12:25 PM
 
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So clearly this list is not only about academics. I looked at the methodology, and it's only 1/3 academics, which to them means:
"Six-year graduation rate (30%). This measure is widely recognized as one of the most important indicators of a college's quality.
Value-added graduation rate (30%). This is the difference between a school's actual graduation rate and its expected rate, based on the economic and academic profile of the student body (measured by the percentage of attendees receiving Pell grants, which are given to low-income students, and the average standardized test scores of incoming freshmen).
Peer quality (10%). This is measured by the standardized test scores of entering freshman (5%), and the percentage of accepted students who enroll in that college, known as the "yield" rate (5%).
Instructor quality (10%). This measured by the student-to-faculty ratio.
Financial troubles (20%). This is a new factor added in 2017, as financial difficulties can affect the quality of education, and a growing number of schools are facing funding challenges."


So it's not even all academics in the academic rating! A low student-faculty ratio simply means not a lot of big lecture classes. This is a bias towards smaller colleges, which explains a number of them on the list. This value added graduation rate seems kind of screwy to me, too.

As far as grad school costs, I know it's water-over-the-dam now, but many grad programs offer TAs and such.
The list seems pretty spot on in terms of reputation besides waynesburg and slippery rock though.
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Old 07-25-2017, 12:25 PM
 
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Regarding CMU, my son had better financial packages from two Ivies.

Regarding graduation rate, I think that is mainly a factor of who is accepted. The top schools always have high graduation rates. CMU's is lower than other top schools.

Graduation rate is weighted fairly high (10%) in their rankings. Otherwise John Carroll University at 164 would have to be ranked lower than Waynesburg at 170. John Carroll has higher "Est. price 2017-18 with avg. grant" and lower "Early career earnings."
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Old 07-25-2017, 12:52 PM
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The list seems pretty spot on in terms of reputation besides waynesburg and slippery rock though.
But to rank them higher than Pitt and Duquesne? Both Pitt and Duquesne are larger colleges. I know when I was at Pitt, we had a lot of big lecture classes, that probably dragged it down for them.
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Old 07-25-2017, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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It sounds like this ranking is best bang for your money, so the rankings will be a little different from what a best college list from US News would show.
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