09-12-2018, 03:42 PM
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I guess some are still forced to come to this thread.
Anyway, Amazon would not look bad to pick DC, it offers a lot, but it's extremely expensive and not a balanced decision from that standpoint, but I expect that they or Chicago will get it.
09-12-2018, 08:30 PM
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You can say the same thing about a dozen other cities in the same boat as Pittsburgh. It doesn’t matter to them. Pittsburgh needs to drop its pie in the sky dreams of being a corporate HQ again and focus on being what it can control. Friendly for branch offices and small business startups.
Pittsburgh is sort of on a tipping point. Amazon's presence would push Pittsburgh firmly in the Tech hub level. And it's not like Pittsburgh would have been a wrong choice.
09-13-2018, 06:22 AM
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Why would it be bad?
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Bezos proved that people are easily fooled. He’s bait and switch. Do you think he’s made his billions being a good guy, honest and not ripping off others? He seduced a lot people on this board to think Pittsburgh or any other second or third tier city had a chance. It looks like he’s going with the safe bet after all. They threw billions at him to move to the economic engine of the country. Basically a freebie. I say he will sleep well at night and I don’t blame him for making the decision it’s all business. Nothing personal.
You don't think that's a bad look?
I agree with you that it won' really matter in the long run. People aren't going to stop using Amazon any time soon.
09-13-2018, 06:54 AM
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It will matter for Amazon's bottom line though. Paying a lot extra for an expensive area, for a huge number of employees, hurts in the long run. and I could see them having staffing issues trying to hire/keep people working for them in an area like DC, with so many other better jobs available.
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09-13-2018, 05:58 PM
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Pittsburgh is sort of on a tipping point. Amazon's presence would push Pittsburgh firmly in the Tech hub level. And it's not like Pittsburgh would have been a wrong choice.
Pittsburgh is at a tipping point for what? I didn’t research the employment numbers in the other 19 amazon finalists, but Pittsburgh tech employment is at 3.4 percent of the total jobs in the city. The US average is 3.0 percent. That hardly qualifies us as a tech hub. 0.4 percent more jobs than average.
Pittsburgh not being a wrong choice is nothing more than an opinion. Some love it and others don’t. There are a lot of worse places. By the same token there are a lot of better places. Pittsburgh needs to concentrate on something it can be good at. A place for small businesses and branch offices to thrive.
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You don't think that's a bad look?
How does it look bad? They were open about the process. It was nothing but a gimmick to obtain tons of free press and advertising. I would say they accomplished it wouldn’t you? I’m sure all along they knew where it was going to go, but it got hundreds of other cities talking about it. I can’t imagine how much of a boost in business it’d been. Once the choice is final the news will be over it for days maybe longer. Then the 19 other losers will talk about why they fell short. Meanwhile they never had a chance to begin with. He’s a salesman spewing rainbows and unicorns. People buy it up. Nobody’s been protesting and everybody is in awe over it.
It looked bad the day it was announced. People couldn’t see what the scheme was. He got a freebie and you and I continue to fund his empire of retail convenience.
BTW Toronto is out of the running for sure. Microsoft is making the amazon site their headquarters. The writing is on the wall.
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It will matter for Amazon's bottom line though. Paying a lot extra for an expensive area, for a huge number of employees, hurts in the long run. and I could see them having staffing issues trying to hire/keep people working for them in an area like DC, with so many other better jobs available.
Really it will hurt their bottom line? That’s a laugh.
They are getting freebies in taxes and sites. They get to go to DC area tax free. They have three sites in the top wealthiest counties in the nation to place this second headquarters tax free. All they have to do is pay higher salaries to get talent. Big deal. That is a drop in the bucket compared to what they should pay to be in dc. The only people paying taxes in that deal will be his workers.
I’d say that is a great deal wouldn’t you? Wealthiest and most desire able counties in the nation for free. Not to mention endless talent options. I bet they end up saving money and it will be cheaper than what they are paying in Seattle.
Let DC have it. Nothing more than a taxpayer ripoff. You pay more and he gets a free ride in the most elite area of the country.
09-13-2018, 07:33 PM
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The fact that you don't think it would hurt their bottom line, makes you a laugh. It would be a MINIMUM of 1 billion more a year in salaries and real estate expenses to go somewhere like DC compared to Pgh. Taxes are NOTHING compared to that, esp. considering PA and PGH are also offering their own incentives (which are not publicly known). and the cost of salaries/real estate in DC may even be a lot more, as DC area is already at a breaking point of land use and prices would skyrocket even more. They would have a harder time retaining talent in DC area with so many other good jobs pulling people away.
You really don't know much about business expenses and related concerns. and sounds like you don't know anything about the NoVA/DC area, which I know a lot about. Tech jobs especially are very very well paid there, and Amazon HQ2 would drive the salaries even higher, if they could even get enough talent to join them. Most people I know would definitely favor working at many other tech jobs available in the area, rather than Amazon. In fact, I didn't realize but I've talked to plenty of people about this, and not even one of them has even passingly mentioned the possibility that they would work for them! The salaries in the area are already high - if you think Amazon is going to go higher by paying 200K for experienced tech people (not even in management), think again. If they do choose the DC area, it would be a huge mistake IMO.
And by the way, still waiting to hear what forces you to view this thread? LOL
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09-14-2018, 07:49 AM
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Pittsburgh is at a tipping point for what? I didn’t research the employment numbers in the other 19 amazon finalists, but Pittsburgh tech employment is at 3.4 percent of the total jobs in the city. The US average is 3.0 percent. That hardly qualifies us as a tech hub. 0.4 percent more jobs than average.
50,000 additional tech jobs should firmly establish Pittsburgh as a tech hub.
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Pittsburgh not being a wrong choice is nothing more than an opinion. Some love it and others don’t. There are a lot of worse places. By the same token there are a lot of better places. Pittsburgh needs to concentrate on something it can be good at. A place for small businesses and branch offices to thrive.
Pittsburgh should fill Amazon's requirements just fine. It's affordable housing and gradual loss of population make it a better choice.
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It's amazing that all of FAANG isn't just beating down the door to center their businesses in Pittsburgh given some of the positions in this thread. Perhaps somebody should send their CEOs a letter letting them know how much they are hurting their companies by not moving her? Good grief.
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It's amazing that all of FAANG isn't just beating down the door to center their businesses in Pittsburgh given some of the positions in this thread. Perhaps somebody should send their CEOs a letter letting them know how much they are hurting their companies by not moving her? Good grief.
It is amazing isn’t it. I don’t know how you can say with a straight face that Amazon would be making a terrible business decision by moving into one of the three most wealthy and desirable counties in the nation where talent supply is endless in favor of Pittsburgh. They are basically getting a free ride to go to DC.
If somebody was going to give you a car for free would you take the Volkswagen over the Rolls Royce? That is what they are trying to argue.
The cheaper salary argument is DOA. It hasn’t worked before and it doesn’t work now. If amazon wants to be the best they have to recruit the best. And you gotta pay to do that. Most people would never move to a cheap city for a cheaper salary. That theory has been debunked over and over. A few may and I think they all
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People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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