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Old 06-11-2018, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Who goes first? JayHay or Mercer?
Likely Mercer due to him being a FA and walking after the season as I can’t see them signing him. Only issue is, does anyone want him? I really can’t see him being worth anything in a trade.

I’m sure they’d love to dump JHay and Cervelli’s contracts, too...but there might be a lynch mob should both happen.
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Old 06-11-2018, 02:15 PM
 
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Nutting should just hire Little Leaguers. He wouldn't even have to pay them.
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Old 06-11-2018, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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By June 13th, we should have a better sense of what type of team this really is. Pirates have played the 9th easiest schedule to date.
Well, here we are on June 11th and them now one game below .500
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Old 06-11-2018, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Nashville TN, Cincinnati, OH
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Pirates have a really nice ballpark. Even thou the team is horrible if you like baseball it is a good deal to see a game. Cheap prices is one of the reasons I went to Great American Ball Park in Cincinnati about 5-10 times a year when I lived in Cincinnati. Cincinnati and Atlanta both have trouble drawing fans to the ballpark for some reason, Pirates could as well.
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Old 06-12-2018, 08:48 AM
 
Location: crafton pa
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They are still amazingly close to .500 and we're almost at all star break.
I see your smiley face, so I am pretty sure YOU are tongue-in-cheek with that post, but there are people who would see going .500 for a season as some type of accomplishment. What difference does .500 make, especially since they've broken that 20-year sub-.500 streak? A .500 record will NOT get a team into the playoffs, and therefore not give them a shot at winning a championship. Last I checked, that's the purpose of playing, isn't it? Winning divisions, making the playoffs and winning World Series are all real accomplishments. Going .500 is not a real accomplishment.
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Old 06-12-2018, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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I see your smiley face, so I am pretty sure YOU are tongue-in-cheek with that post, but there are people who would see going .500 for a season as some type of accomplishment. What difference does .500 make, especially since they've broken that 20-year sub-.500 streak? A .500 record will NOT get a team into the playoffs, and therefore not give them a shot at winning a championship. Last I checked, that's the purpose of playing, isn't it? Winning divisions, making the playoffs and winning World Series are all real accomplishments. Going .500 is not a real accomplishment.
Standards are so low for this team that .500 and/or a winning season is seen as a big accomplishment by many fans.
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Old 06-13-2018, 01:00 PM
 
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Standards are so low for this team that .500 and/or a winning season is seen as a big accomplishment by many fans.
Not a baseball fan, but mediocrity is the death-knell for sports teams. No incentive to change or high draft picks, and no glory. You end up being stuck in the middle forever.
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Old 06-13-2018, 03:01 PM
 
Location: crafton pa
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Not a baseball fan, but mediocrity is the death-knell for sports teams. No incentive to change or high draft picks, and no glory. You end up being stuck in the middle forever.
Agreed. A big part of the reason that they did have those three wild card years from 2013-15 was the fact that they finished at or near the bottom of the standings for several seasons in the five or so years before those good years. Those seasons netted them draft picks like Walker, McCutchen, Cole, etc. that ended up forming the nucleus of those playoff teams. If they continually finish near .500, maybe a little over or maybe a bit under, they will not get those high draft picks. Maybe they can rebuild with middle draft picks; the MLB draft is notoriously a crap shoot. It would make the rebuild much easier, though, if they would just blow it all up and start over, finishing near the bottom a few times.

I personally don't WANT to see that, but I certainly understand the benefit. It worked before for the Pirates. It could work again. That's why I really didn't have a problem with trading McCutchen and Cole prior to this year. They determined, probably correctly, that even with those players this team is not a contender. Once you've determined that you're not a contender, then it makes sense to get younger guys in and developing, even if that means you won't win as many games. I think the Bucs got off to a start that was WAY beyond what the talent level of this team would dictate, and that got many fans excited. That's the reason for the disappointment with their current level of play. The current level, though, not the hot start is the real team. I truly don't have a problem with that.


What I do have a problem with was the way that they tore apart the 2015 team that won 98 games. You are a contender after a 98 win season; they had no business tearing that team apart. Obviously there's nothing they can do about it now, but it does make me pessimistic, to say the least, that this management will do what it takes to keep a good team together even if they manage to develop one over the next 3-5 years.
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Old 06-13-2018, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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What I do have a problem with was the way that they tore apart the 2015 team that won 98 games. You are a contender after a 98 win season; they had no business tearing that team apart. Obviously there's nothing they can do about it now, but it does make me pessimistic, to say the least, that this management will do what it takes to keep a good team together even if they manage to develop one over the next 3-5 years.

They were one arm or one big bat away from improving that 98 win team. So what did they do, tore it apart, made no off season moves, and went to 78 wins. But, at least Mr. Nutting made a profit, which is all he wants. I had no problem with them trading Cutch and Cole, it was the dismantling of the 2015 team that did it for me.


And I think a lot of baseball fans like myself are fed up and staying away. The attendance figures bear that out.
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Old 06-13-2018, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania/Maine
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They were one arm or one big bat away from improving that 98 win team. So what did they do, tore it apart, made no off season moves, and went to 78 wins. But, at least Mr. Nutting made a profit, which is all he wants. I had no problem with them trading Cutch and Cole, it was the dismantling of the 2015 team that did it for me.


And I think a lot of baseball fans like myself are fed up and staying away. The attendance figures bear that out.
Good points. Agree totally. Though Cole is raking now, Cutch not doing much. Cole 124 K's in 87 innings so far. nobody saw that coming. That's off the charts.
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