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Old 08-08-2019, 02:39 PM
 
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On the average, people just don’t find southwestern PA a desirable place to live. It’s not that hard to figure out. Weather, infrastructure, taxes, etc. Most that grow up in the area and end up successful do so somewhere else.
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Old 08-08-2019, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Ben Avon/Kilbuck
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On the average, people just don’t find southwestern PA a desirable place to live. It’s not that hard to figure out. Weather, infrastructure, taxes, etc. Most that grow up in the area and end up successful do so somewhere else.

I disagree somewhat, people thinking of moving here may think that but my experience is plenty of people are successful not leaving and many who grow up here that leave end up coming back or wish they could.
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Old 08-08-2019, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Weirton, W. Va.
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On the average, people just donít find southwestern PA a desirable place to live. Itís not that hard to figure out. Weather, infrastructure, taxes, etc. Most that grow up in the area and end up successful do so somewhere else.

Unless you are from the area that is is a pretty accurate statement. Otherwise people need to have the opportunity to make a very good living and move up the economic ladder. Jobs, money and opportunity will attract people to any city. Pittsburgh lags on those three things right now unfortunately.



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I disagree somewhat, people thinking of moving here may think that but my experience is plenty of people are successful not leaving and many who grow up here that leave end up coming back or wish they could.
That is partially true. If you live here and have worked here a while and this is all you know then life is good. I know a few that left right after college and worked in cities like Charlotte with the desire to come back and be next to family. They regretted coming back because they only knew Pittsburgh as a kid and into very early 20s. As an adult everything was different, basically didnít find it to be the greatest anymore. Old housing, below average salaries and economic stagnation mean something as an adult but not when you are under 23 years old and fresh out of school as one guy told me.
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Old 08-09-2019, 03:55 AM
 
Location: Polish Hill, Pittsburgh, PA
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On the average, people just donít find southwestern PA a desirable place to live. Itís not that hard to figure out. Weather, infrastructure, taxes, etc. Most that grow up in the area and end up successful do so somewhere else.
People can most certainly be successful here. Just look at PghYinzer, eschaton, RogersParkTransplant, BrianTH, gladhands, xdv8, wpipkins2, gg, erieguy, tyovan4, Knepper3, Goodjules, Preservation Pioneer, and most other regulars as evidence of that. All seem to be gainfully employed. I believe all are homeowners.

To be honest Iím even finally starting to feel more successful here, and Iíve struggled to make in-roads professionally since moving here.

I still just wish our winters were snowier and less overcast. Iíve lived here almost a decade and have yet to experience a heavy snowfall. Our infrastructure is a mess, too, but you canít fix an entire generationís neglect overnight.
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Old 08-09-2019, 04:28 AM
 
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On the average, people just donít find southwestern PA a desirable place to live. Itís not that hard to figure out. Weather, infrastructure, taxes, etc. Most that grow up in the area and end up successful do so somewhere else.
You might be right. For the young and college educated, there are more desirable places to be. I have had 3 friends who are gay who have incredible lives elsewhere now (outside of Los Angeles, Wilton Manors, FL, and one in NYC). They claim that sure, Pittsburgh has gotten "cool" to a degree, but for a gay dude, there is not a huge community for one to feel "welcomed, or even normal" (the words of one friend).

All nice people and I am glad they have what they do, where they are now....

Others have their reasons to like or dislike Pittsburgh. I think it is just so incredibly perfect in being "average" in so many ways.

people here are not totally insane like I have found them to be in other places I've lived. Northern VA, especially - they are so weird and living with a different set of values than most of the rest of the world. I mean, even octogenarians there are manic - teh way they drive, they way they speak, their coarseness....

at least old time America still exists here to some degree.
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Old 08-09-2019, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Great White North Hills
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On the average, people just donít find southwestern PA a desirable place to live. Itís not that hard to figure out. Weather, infrastructure, taxes, etc. Most that grow up in the area and end up successful do so somewhere else.
Got any stats? All my friends that stuck around have done quite well, a couple are worth millions.
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Old 08-09-2019, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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Lots of anecdotal evidence here from so many. It's like saying "Many people are saying" with absolutely nothing concrete to back it up.
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Old 08-09-2019, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Lots of anecdotal evidence here from so many. It's like saying "Many people are saying" with absolutely nothing concrete to back it up.
What kind of stats are you looking for?

Many responses are from people who have lived in the city, and stats say that people arenít moving to the area.
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Old 08-09-2019, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Weirton, W. Va.
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What kind of stats are you looking for?

Many responses are from people who have lived in the city, and stats say that people arenít moving to the area.
Yep itís pretty difficult to deny those facts. But as usual they will make a crack
On cranberry or West Virginia to try and change the subject. It then is made into a personal attack.
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Old 08-10-2019, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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...and it's back to the straw men.
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