The attempted murder of the McKeesport cop on video. (New Kensington: 2013, middle school)

[gg]

I was hoping he would be caught or turn himself in by now. I watched that video and it was very disturbing. Just to try and kill someone with just no regard. Sure is sad. He would have probably been out in a few days, but now he will be running for a while and in prison the rest of his life. Why?

If you want to see reality here is a national story. Welcome to what cops have to deal with. Geez.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...on/4007512001/

[erieguy]

Classy guy. A long term prison sentence should serve him well.

[guy2073]

This is a sad statement by me but it is true. That incident was 100% the officers fault. First off police always handcuff suspects behind their backs. When you cuff someone in the front they can attack you easily, I learned that in a field trip in middle school. Second that gun should have been found in a pat down before he was placed into the suv. I am guessing next time that officer will do things correctly.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by guy2073

This is a sad statement by me but it is true. That incident was 100% the officers fault. First off police always handcuff suspects behind their backs. When you cuff someone in the front they can attack you easily, I learned that in a field trip in middle school. Second that gun should have been found in a pat down before he was placed into the suv. I am guessing next time that officer will do things correctly.

Bingo

[gg]

Originally Posted by guy2073

This is a sad statement by me but it is true. That incident was 100% the officers fault. First off police always handcuff suspects behind their backs. When you cuff someone in the front they can attack you easily, I learned that in a field trip in middle school. Second that gun should have been found in a pat down before he was placed into the suv. I am guessing next time that officer will do things correctly.

I would imagine the officer was trying a kinder tactic. To make the man more comfortable. To treat him with dignity and respect, so he patted him down ever so gently and didn't want to impose on him. Cuffed him in the front of course as someone might video it and ask why do you need to be so forceful. Just cuff him in the front so he is comfortable.

Yep. I suspect the officer was trying this new style "the city people" want. Didn't work out very well.

[wpipkins2]

Originally Posted by gg

I would imagine the officer was trying a kinder tactic. To make the man more comfortable. To treat him with dignity and respect, so he patted him down ever so gently and didn't want to impose on him. Cuffed him in the front of course as someone might video it and ask why do you need to be so forceful. Just cuff him in the front so he is comfortable.

Yep. I suspect the officer was trying this new style "the city people" want. Didn't work out very well.

Mckeesport is not the city..... it is a satellite / suburban independent city. This is a case of familiarity. The cop was laxed because this was a local incident. Police officers in small towns often times know the people that they serve. If I was an officer I would have followed proper protocol.

I really think the gunman ran up to the bridge and jumped into the Youghiogheny river. I cannot imagine anyone including family assisting with his escape.

The officer should have performed a full body scan as well as cuffing from the back.

[gg]

Originally Posted by wpipkins2

Mckeesport is not the city..... it is a satellite / suburban independent city. This is a case of familiarity. The cop was laxed because this was a local incident. Police officers in small towns often times know the people that they serve. If I was an officer I would have followed proper protocol.

I really think the gunman ran up to the bridge and jumped into the Youghiogheny river. I cannot imagine anyone including family assisting with his escape.

The officer should have performed a full body scan as well as cuffing from the back.

But what if the man resisted the officer if the officer was giving that full body scan? What if people were videotaping and there was a fight or struggle? What if it elevated and the officer ended up shooting the man? Sure keep dreaming. Things are different now. Cops are being targeted.

Everyone is right though. I surely is the officer's fault. He should have been much tougher, but wanted to be kinder. Yep.

[WhiteOak2013]

According to this article....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/heavy.c...ckeesport/amp/

....Koby Francis was handcuffed from the back and by the time he arrived at the McKeesport station with Officer Gerasimos Athans, Francis had managed to move his cuffs to the front of his body. Can this be done? I suppose if someone is thin enough and flexible enough? I’m not sure. I agree that the second firearm should have been discovered at the scene prior to placing Francis in the police vehicle.

The article also indicates that there were two officers at the scene of Francis’ arrest. Officer Athans escorted Francis to the police station while the other officer remained at the scene. When Officer Athans opened the rear door to let Francis out, Francis shot him in the torso from inside the vehicle. Francis then shot Officer Athans in the neck and ran off in cuffs. The officer returned fire but Francis was already gone. Never thought about the river scenario, but yes that is a possibility-its definitely close to the scene.

Officer Athans was shot a total of 3 times. He’s already been released from Presby Hospital. I can’t help but wonder which officer searched Francis for additional weapons. Does an officer get charged with something in a case like this?

[gg]

Originally Posted by wpipkins2

I cannot imagine anyone including family assisting with his escape.

Family members hid the guy that murdered Brian Shaw up in New Kensington. I am assuming he has help.

https://triblive.com/local/valley-ne...ngton-officer/

[Benzman66]

Originally Posted by WhiteOak2013

Francis had managed to move his cuffs to the front of his body. Can this be done? I suppose if someone is thin enough and flexible enough? I’m not sure.

Yep, absolutely possible. Many can "step thru" the cuffs, and definitely are of thin build and very flexible, They usually have practiced doing it many times just for this reason.


Here's a video doing it over the head, which is rare;



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bJyXN9EBrk