Shootings (Pittsburgh, California, Homewood: community college, casino, mall)

[creepsinc]

Originally Posted by mm6687

Well a lot of predominantly black communities are extremely quick to cry "racism" and while agree that a small minority is justified it is taken to a whole different level. In my opinion the racism card has now hurt the cause of blacks in American, for instance I interned at a humanitarian institution who was more afraid of being accused of being racist than in actually helping people. I have found, in my limited sample size, that most white members of society are actually afraid to critic, criticize, or even talk about the African American communities. In fact most of the people I know ignore it entirely.

Is that progress?


On the other hand black areas of the country are statistically the WORST discriminatory area's against homosexuals and gender. And there are countless accusations of racism when those topics are brought up to the leadership of said areas; believe me I have experienced it first hand in debates with the supposedly educated leaders of the African American community.


Lastly, after having been discriminated themselves for all these long years is it a wonder that a strong minority, even a majority in some areas, have a negative view towards Hispanic American's. Militant view also, as bad as those Texas militias.

Pot meet Kettle.

No one's **** does not stink. Lets move on and improve ourselves.


Lets have black leadership advocate for education and responisbility.

Practice birth control, stress the harmfulness of drugs, the danger of gangs, the importance of a father to a child.

I believe there are a lot of good people everywhere, I just find the leadership of the African American community in this country SAD.

And yes, minimizing my ancestors past experiences to justify your own is also, pathetic. (not intended to the poster I quoted, more of a general statement)

Yes! It bothers the hell out of me that so many so-called leaders in the so-called black community have a problem with homosexuality and don't consider it a civil rights issue. Being discriminated against for the way you're born is being discriminated against for the way you're born.

Another thing I have a problem with is supposed "hate-crimes". All violent crimes are hate-crimes. I'm treading into REALLY dangerous territory here, but I don't believe Hitler was worse than Stalin or Mao just because he singled people out for their ethnicity or religion. A case can be made for the commies being worse, just for sheer numbers killed (try 50+ million each versus a "mere" 10 million for the Nazis). In other words, the "Jena Six" were hate criminals, one and all.

Discuss.

[Agbor]

I find it interesting that some Black Americans still harp over slavery..when Jamaicans and Bahamians had slavery too and I don't hear them harping about it..They (the islanders) seem to be very confident and not defensive around White Americans..

and Africans..well thats a whole different mindset all together and another topic..lol

[Agbor]

There are a lot of historical,class and cultural issues at play here..

[creepsinc]

I would like to expand the debate here by pointing out that racial, gender, sexual and even class discrimination/oppression pales in comparison to what is experienced by the group collectively known as the "mentally ill". I work in the field and read cases all day and I would trade a chemical imbalance for darker skin, different equipment or attraction to my gender ANY day.


Edit: The Waterfront Giant Eagle is pretty fancy. I'd go more often if it was closer and I wouldn't worry about getting shot. Also, Sandcastle is there, if you like water parks. Whew, it's hard to stay on topic.

[creepsinc]

Problem solved! Thanks, kenyaa. The giant chip on your shoulder has grown into City-Data Forum's newest thread:



http://www.city-data.com/forum/pitts...on-thread.html

[Lucario]

Originally Posted by Agbor

There are a lot of historical,class and cultural issues at play here..

Glad you mentioned that; the situations of African Americans, West Indians and continental Africans are totally different. I could certainly rip your assertions to shreds; I would rather ask why you think West Indians and African Americans' situations might be different......

[ExPit]

Originally Posted by creepsinc

Yes! It bothers the hell out of me that so many so-called leaders in the so-called black community have a problem with homosexuality and don't consider it a civil rights issue. Being discriminated against for the way you're born is being discriminated against for the way you're born.

Another thing I have a problem with is supposed "hate-crimes". All violent crimes are hate-crimes. I'm treading into REALLY dangerous territory here, but I don't believe Hitler was worse than Stalin or Mao just because he singled people out for their ethnicity or religion. A case can be made for the commies being worse, just for sheer numbers killed (try 50+ million each versus a "mere" 10 million for the Nazis). In other words, the "Jena Six" were hate criminals, one and all.

Discuss.

I agree it's hard to compare horrific events. Is mass murder, not of the Hitler or the Stalin type, but just of the say Boston Strangler or Richard Ramirez variety, any better than one that "succeeds" on a larger scale? Where do you draw the lines between bad and terrible, and horrible beyond words?

[mm6687]

Originally Posted by ExPit

I agree it's hard to compare horrific events. Is mass murder, not of the Hitler or the Stalin type, but just of the say Boston Strangler or Richard Ramirez variety, any better than one that "succeeds" on a larger scale? Where do you draw the lines between bad and terrible, and horrible beyond words?

There is no "line", every murder is different but also the same. Is a jealous husband's rage in shooting his wifes lover any different than a hired gun assassinating a rival gang leader in pure "cold blood"?

According to our legal system, "yes", but it all adds up to the same thing; a life lost.


One life, twenty lives, one million lives; all are equally evil. The difference is complexity, Hitler and Stalin managed to convince thousands of their fellow countrymen to partake in their crimes. Thereby insuring that all of their nations collectively supported murder, that is an indescribable evil.

So yes there is no difference, both were evil men who led other men into evil. Twin shepherds of death I suppose.

[ExPit]

Originally Posted by mm6687

There is no "line", every murder is different but also the same. Is a jealous husband's rage in shooting his wifes lover any different than a hired gun assassinating a rival gang leader in pure "cold blood"?

According to our legal system, "yes", but it all adds up to the same thing; a life lost.


One life, twenty lives, one million lives; all are equally evil. The difference is complexity, Hitler and Stalin managed to convince thousands of their fellow countrymen to partake in their crimes. Thereby insuring that all of their nations collectively supported murder, that is an indescribable evil.

So yes there is no difference, both were evil men who led other men into evil. Twin shepherds of death I suppose.

I agree with what you say and wonder if we could take it a step further.
Is someone who kills for revenge as bad as someone who fires the first shot?

[Huckleberry3911948]

dont live there but we gotem here too. have heard small arms shots at night 3x everytime was a shooting. each time the victim was unarmed and the attack was unprovoked . easy to hear late at night and not that far from my house.
can't help but think that if people were allowed to shoot back without fear of punishment it would stop. but i am told here in california, that is a wicked thought.