JUST IN. Century III Mall to close. (neighborhood, subsidized)

[stburr91]

Originally Posted by Clint.

Maybe if all school districts or municipalities shared in the subsidized business it would be more tolerable, but they are usually only located in working class neighborhoods that already have a more tenuous grasp on getting by, and then what those places have worked for is destroyed and they get a bad reputation and community pride diminishes among those who have maintained things and made it into a decent place.

This is why the idea of dispersing poverty has failed. The programs have completely failed to disperse the poverty. What these programs need to have any chance of succeeding, it to have strict limits on the number of vouchers given in any one municipality, or school district.

[UKyank]

Originally Posted by Moby Hick

But crime in the aggregate is dropping and the deconcentration of poverty is one factor often asserted to be behind that. Congress and the federal government is supposed to work for the best for everybody, not just people in the suburbs. Section 8 worked for a great number of people individually and for society in the aggregate.

This is only if you can directly correlate the drop in crime to Section 8 housing programs. Everyone from gun advocates (increased gun ownership) to pro-choice supporters (less unwanted children) use the drop in violent crime statistics to claim their special interest is the cause.

[Moby Hick]

Originally Posted by UKyank

This is only if you can directly correlate the drop in crime to Section 8 housing programs. Everyone from gun advocates (increased gun ownership) to pro-choice supporters (less unwanted children) use the drop in violent crime statistics to claim their special interest is the cause.

True and there is lots of argument about the causes of the drop in crime. However, this dispersal is one of the commonly cited factors given the crime has dropped most rapidly in many cities.

[stburr91]

Originally Posted by Moby Hick

But crime in the aggregate is dropping and the deconcentration of poverty is one factor often asserted to be behind that. Congress and the federal government is supposed to work for the best for everybody, not just people in the suburbs. Section 8 worked for a great number of people individually and for society in the aggregate.

I agree, that overall, crime is down. My point is, that over time, the poverty has become concentrated again, which is leading to spikes in crime in those areas. Overall crime rates have begun to climb again, and I believe it is because the poverty is becoming concentrated again.

One of the other issues with moving the poverty to the suburbs, is that the police forces are smaller, and have less resources to deal with the kind of serious crime that they are now seeing.

[Caladium]

It's a complicated problem, that's for sure. I wish I knew the answer, but after all these years the only conclusion I can make is there is no simple or one-size-fits-all solution.

[SteelCityRising]

Originally Posted by Clint.

I don't have a problem with grouping them all together; better that than making average places below average.

As long as they're not grouped together in your neighborhood, correct?

[Clint.]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

As long as they're not grouped together in your neighborhood, correct?

Haha, yeah, I have to agree that is true. Of course, my neighborhood isn't really exclusive so there is already plenty of that stuff. The problem is when it passes a certain point and even working stiffs like me don't want to deal with it. Best for everyone to work together and try to keep things halfway decent so serious and persistent problems don't make a home.

It's too bad money is the driver for so much in our culture. Maybe if things like subsidized housing were contingent on how nice or responsible of a person someone is rather than only how poor they are it would be more successful because it would reward socially productive behavior.

[vpvalentine]

was this a debartlo mall and now gallareo

[neurodistortion]

DeBartolo built Century III, then they sold off all their assets to Simon Property Group in the mid-1990s. Simon defaulted on its loan payments for the mall in 2009 or 2010. It is now being managed by Jones Lang LaSalle.

[Cindi Waters1]

My question is: what will happen to all those buildings? They deteriorate over time, and no one cares when they build these big buildings who will take care of them when tenants leave or the area shuts down.