which one is the top dog: philadelphia or pittsburgh? (Erie: to live, price)

[speagles84]

Originally Posted by Copanut

But we have more Super Bowl wins n'at.

Every team that's won the superbowl does

[ElijahAstin]

Originally Posted by Copanut

No argument from me either.

I've always had a great time when visiting there.

But your airport STINKS!!!

Indeed it does.

Originally Posted by speagles84

Every team that's won the superbowl does

I almost wish I cared about organized sports.

Originally Posted by pghdude28

The two are not comparable. It's like comparing Atlanta to Altoona

While I usually make it a point not to respond to trolls, I'll make an exception to point out that this is definitely not true. Make no mistake about it; Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are different cities built on different scales, and have differing cultures to go along with it. Nonetheless, there are quite a few subtle similarities that go hand in hand with the striking differences. To quote myself (for the umpteenth time):

Pittsburgh's freestanding homes look fairly different from Philadelphia's but the rows in the Central Northside, Southside, and a few other neighborhoods are almost identical to rows you'd find in Fairmount or South Philly.

Pittsburghers are yinzers and not yousers, but long sandwiches are still hoagies, eggs over medium are dippy, and TastyKakes abound in convenience stores.

Residents of both cities feel shafted by the governor at the expense of the rest of the state.

The roads are awful and every season is construction season.

Parking chairs abound in the outer city neighborhoods.

While Philly is a bit more diverse, both cities are still very much "black and white" compared to other metro areas. Pittsburgh has a bit more in the "random Slav" department and Philly has a lot more Puerto Ricans and Asians, but they're both, to this day, strong white ethnic cities, with not only characteristically German, Irish, and Italian, but Russian, Ukrainian, and Polish neighborhoods as well.

Both rose and fell as manufacturing hubs, only to later reemerge as top cities for education and healthcare. University City is a larger, and at once both grittier and more upscale Oakland.

And many more.

[speagles84]

Originally Posted by HeavenWood

Indeed it does.


I almost wish I cared about organized sports.


While I usually make it a point not to respond to trolls, I'll make an exception to point out that this is definitely not true. Make no mistake about it; Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are different cities built on different scales, and have differing cultures to go along with it. Nonetheless, there are quite a few subtle similarities that go hand in hand with the striking differences. To quote myself (for the umpteenth time):

You think University City is larger than Oakland? I agree with all your points except that one. Oakland is the third largest CBD in the state after Center City and the Golden Triangle.

City of Pittsburgh Council District 6*·*About City of Pittsburgh Council District 6

[MathmanMathman]

Originally Posted by HeavenWood

I'd say Philly is a top 5-7 U.S. city

And falling, cities like Austin, Houston, Atlanta, Dallas, Phoenix, Seattle, etc. are the new wave of top cities. Mostly southern cities. Pittsburgh probably needs to focus on QoL and be more like Portland Ore. to be able to compete.

[pghdude28]

I think Pittsburgh needs to drain the swamp so to speak and start over with younger people who have fresh and innovative ideas. So much deadweight here taking up space and inhibiting growth and prosperity.

[ElijahAstin]

Originally Posted by speagles84

You think University City is larger than Oakland? I agree with all your points except that one. Oakland is the third largest CBD in the state after Center City and the Golden Triangle.

City of Pittsburgh Council District 6*·*About City of Pittsburgh Council District 6

IIRC, the difference in the number of jobs between the two is under 1,000. I meant "geographically larger" anyway. Oakland doesn't really have a true equivalent of a Baltimore Avenue. Craig Street is sort of like a slightly more polished mini-version.

Originally Posted by MathmanMathman

And falling, cities like Austin, Houston, Atlanta, Dallas, Phoenix, Seattle, etc. are the new wave of top cities. Mostly southern cities. Pittsburgh probably needs to focus on QoL and be more like Portland Ore. to be able to compete.

It definitely fell, but once again, it rises. Infrastructurally speaking, I forecast that sprawl-ridden cities Houston, Atlanta, Dallas, and Phoenix are in for an extremely rude awakening--Austin too, to some extent, although AFAIK, the hipster element is driving the city toward smarter growth. Philly certainly has its share of sprawl, but its true urban core, plus quite a few of the inner suburbs (along with scattered boroughs toward the middle/outer rihgs) are well-situated for re-urbanization.

I also think Seattle is too small to compete on the same kind of level, though I'd definitely agree that Seattle is doing a lot better per capita (for a variety of reasons that need not be discussed here).

[Copanut]

Originally Posted by pghdude28

I think Pittsburgh needs to drain the swamp so to speak and start over with younger people who have fresh and innovative ideas. So much deadweight here taking up space and inhibiting growth and prosperity.

OK, you are right. What are you doing to achieve that goal?

[pghdude28]

Originally Posted by Copanut

OK, you are right. What are you doing to achieve that goal?

Rioting outside city-county building. Bulldozing the Hill District. Building a wall and separating Greenfield from the rest of the city. March on Grant Street

[zman63]

Originally Posted by pghdude28

Rioting outside city-county building. Bulldozing the Hill District. Building a wall and separating Greenfield from the rest of the city. March on Grant Street

Peduto went to dc to lobby hard for the burgh. He said anything "new" they should try here. Isnt the pentagon developing a new atomic bomb for testing? Copanut should know. He seems like an ex military guy.

[Copanut]

Originally Posted by zman63

Peduto went to dc to lobby hard for the burgh. He said anything "new" they should try here. Isnt the pentagon developing a new atomic bomb for testing? Copanut should know. He seems like an ex military guy.

Nah, you wussies wouldn't know about history, but back in the day there was a draft. If you went to college, you had a deferment. After you graduated you got a letter from Uncle Sam. I was lucky, they started the lottery my freshman year, #250. Never got called. And by the time I graduated, President Nixon ended the draft.

I love that guy!!!