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Old 03-10-2014, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Umbrosa Regio
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Here are some meaningless stats that have no bearing whatsoever on which city is "better", but interesting nonetheless:

Facebook "Likes"

Team: Number of likes (rank among other teams in league, rank among all North American pro sports franchises)

NFL:
Pittsburgh Steelers: 5,335,064 (2nd, 7th)
Philadelphia Eagles: 2,423,789 (10th, 20th)

MLB:
Philadelphia Phillies: 1,431,646 (10th, 46th)
Pittsburgh Pirates: 629,265 (22nd, 90th)

NHL:
Pittsburgh Penguins: 1,537,523 (4th, 41st)
Philadelphia Flyers: 960,932 (7th, 60th)

NBA:
Philadelphia 76ers: 780,059 (22nd, 70th)

MLS:
Philadelphia Union: 120,377 (9th, 132nd)

Total number of "Likes" for franchises based in each city:
Pittsburgh: 7,501,852 (3 teams)
Philadelphia: 5,716,803 (5 teams)

 
Old 03-10-2014, 09:08 AM
 
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Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly View Post
Philly recently added more counties to its CSA and surpassed Houston and Dallas. Anyway it's a moot point because the Philly and New York area will probably combine within the next 10-20 years.
I made a mistake, Dallas is #4 and Houston #5. Huge drop after the top 3 so probably no change at the top. Do you have a cite? I can't find a source that says Philly has past Houston. Probably won't last though as Houston is still growing fast. And DC, Miami, and Atlanta will probably soon pass Philly too.
 
Old 03-10-2014, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Can't find one for MLB, but the state is pretty evenly divided when it comes to Baseball. ~45% of West and North are Pirates fans. ~20% South-east-central PA (Harrisburg-York-Lancaster) is Baltimore Orioles. ~20% are Phillies fans, but the population density is high there so they're more equal with the Pirates. Scranton area seems to be divided between Pirates and Yankees.

CommonCensus Hotspot Sports Map
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Originally Posted by speagles84 View Post
The Penguins win the NHL fan loyalty map. It covers swaths of OH and northern WV, but the Flyers cover southern Jersey and all of Delaware which is unarguably more populated.

http://i.imgur.com/hvl3P.gif

Pittsburgh Penguins - 1385 (#5 nationally)
Philadelphia Flyers - 1289 (#6 nationally)

Out of all NHL teams, only Detroit (1943), Boston (1679), Chicago (1470), and Dallas (1470) have larger fan bases than Pittsburgh or Philadelphia.
So on the baseball map, for Erie, PA, 36% Pirates, 30% Cleveland, 9% Yankees, 4% Detroit Tigers, 21% scattered among other teams (assuming I clicked on the right spot). Anyway, I knew a lot of them were Cleveland fans.

The Avs have a pretty decent hockey fan base, too, 1103. I can't make the map big enough to read the numbers well.
 
Old 03-10-2014, 09:32 AM
 
Location: North by Northwest
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Originally Posted by airwave09 View Post
Philly can't be beat when it comes to unending expanses of ghetto.
Sure it can! Detroit, among others.

Lots of great parts of the city as well. The ghettos are pretty easy to avoid.

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Originally Posted by MathmanMathman View Post
I made a mistake, Dallas is #4 and Houston #5. Huge drop after the top 3 so probably no change at the top. Do you have a cite? I can't find a source that says Philly has past Houston. Probably won't last though as Houston is still growing fast. And DC, Miami, and Atlanta will probably soon pass Philly too.
I still think the golden age of the sprawl cities is coming to a close (DC is an anomaly for a variety of reasons) but only time will tell.
 
Old 03-10-2014, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Cumberland County, NJ
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Originally Posted by MathmanMathman View Post
I made a mistake, Dallas is #4 and Houston #5. Huge drop after the top 3 so probably no change at the top. Do you have a cite? I can't find a source that says Philly has past Houston. Probably won't last though as Houston is still growing fast. And DC, Miami, and Atlanta will probably soon pass Philly too.
Here are the sources.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...013/b13-01.pdf

List of Combined Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Like I said before, it's sort of a moot point because the New York and Philly area will most likely combine within the next 10-20 years. It would be almost similar to how the Washington-Baltimore area is.

Anyway this doesn't change the fact that Philly and Pittsburgh are not on the same level when it comes to prominence and importance. I'm not trying to hate on Pittsburgh because I really like the city but I always have to be honest. Pittsburgh tier cities are Seattle, Kansas city, Denver, etc while Philly's tier cities are Houston, Washington DC, Chicago, and San Francisco.
 
Old 03-10-2014, 09:58 AM
 
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Pittsburgh tier cities are Seattle, Kansas city, Denver, etc while Philly's tier cities are Houston, Washington DC, Chicago, and San Francisco.
I would say NY, LA, Toronto, and Chicago are on a tier of their own. Followed by Philly, DC, San Fran, Houston, Boston, and perhaps Atlanta. Pittsburg is in the next tier with cities like, Vegas, Charlotte, St Loius, etc.
 
Old 03-10-2014, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Umbrosa Regio
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I would say NY, LA, Toronto, and Chicago are on a tier of their own. Followed by Philly, DC, San Fran, Houston, Boston, and perhaps Atlanta. Pittsburg is in the next tier with cities like, Vegas, Charlotte, St Loius, etc.
Which Pittsburg? The one in Kansas, California, or one of the others?
 
Old 03-10-2014, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Seattle is much larger than Pittsburgh, both the city and the MSA.

List of Metropolitan Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pittsburgh is #22. In order, from 20-24; Baltimore, Denver, Pittsburgh, Charlotte (NC), Portland (OR).
 
Old 03-10-2014, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Philly
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Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly View Post
Here are the sources.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...013/b13-01.pdf

List of Combined Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Like I said before, it's sort of a moot point because the New York and Philly area will most likely combine within the next 10-20 years. It would be almost similar to how the Washington-Baltimore area is.

Anyway this doesn't change the fact that Philly and Pittsburgh are not on the same level when it comes to prominence and importance. I'm not trying to hate on Pittsburgh because I really like the city but I always have to be honest. Pittsburgh tier cities are Seattle, Kansas city, Denver, etc while Philly's tier cities are Houston, Washington DC, Chicago, and San Francisco.
CSA's are a pretty worthless look anyway, it tells you nothing more than "these areas are sprawled into each other"
 
Old 03-10-2014, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Philly
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one team has six superbowls, the other has never won. I don't understand why anyone would have taken that argument. there is a good sports map someone posted on here a while back. the steelers own the state with the eagles owning the lehigh valley south, the giants owning NEPA. the teams I rememberhaving the smallest share was buffalo (crowded out by the steelers and giants) and the ravens (stuck between the eagles and redskins). the steelers had a carolina outpost, dominated PA, OH, and WV. sports teams are largely irrelevant to whether a city is better or not of course. the only people that have dominance in harrisburg are those who have dollars to give.
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