PGH pedestrian friendly? and real story on crime (Pittsburgh, Wilkinsburg: living, club)

[zip95]

Originally Posted by Hopes

Race is the core of the education and wealth differences, zip.

Since this is Pittsburgh I use Black Americans as an example.

Prior to the 1960's that statement was EXACTLY true...Not sorta true, not kinda true, but Exactly true. The reason was that minorities were denied, By Law, access to quality education, quality housing, quality jobs, etc. This point is not open for discussion, it's well documented recorded history.
Prior to the 1960's the correlation between race and wealth/education was exact. Being black strictly correlated with uneducated and poor, and Pimps analysis would be exactly true.

In the 1960's and 1970's, after civil rights and affimative action legislation, Black Americans earned the right to access quality education and jobs. Today, these people are the 35-50 year old Black Americans you find in Penn Hills, Wilkins, and Church Hill, with big houses and even bigger cars.

It's here, in today's world, where these gross generalizations (equating race with education / wealth) start to fail. Perhaps when you have spent your life surrounded by Black Americans in poverty (or surrounded by white Americans for that matter) it's hard to imagine that there are huge swaths of economically advantaged Black Americans (nice safe 'hoods'). After all, they get no coverage on the evening news or BET/MTV so how could you know.

So is Pimps kinda, sorta right...sure, but like I said, it's more complicated than that. It's only been 1 generation since Black Americans where allowed access to education / wealth, so of course there are still huge numbers of Black Americans in poverty. So of course crime will kinda, sorta correlate with race. Truthfully, after only 1 generation anything else would be a friggin miracle.

So you could use race as the best variable to determine crime, but you'd be wrong. Economics and culture and much better indicators. As an easy to understand example look at Hispanics....it's economics not skin tone. Look at the ****es (Black people of Iraq) and Sunnis (White people of Iraq). Here we have the same race divided by religion.

BTW, this post is not my opinion, it's concensus amoung people who've dedicated their lives to studying these things.

[pgh412]

I'm still going to argue that statistics aren't valid in any case, especially when comparing cities of various sizes, like Chicago and Pittsburgh. I don't care what anyone on here says. Pittsburgh is just as dangerous as any other city. It doesn't matter what city you're in, if you don't watch where you're at, you can end up in a pretty bad situation. My father used to work as an alarm technician, and I remember as a kid the things he went through just going to work. Just about every night he went out on a call there was some incident. He was attacked multiple times because the colors of his work jacket were the wrong color. He couldn't go to work without a gun, and this was years ago. I'm not even going to get into the things I've seen. Here's a little taste of what a lot of Pittsburgh neighborhoods look like. Oh and this is a "suburb". Also the site was posted and set up by the mayor, so it's not crap.

http://www.15104.cc/

[pgh412]

Please leave the race stuff alone. It's all crap. It's All About Money.

[pgh412]

Also, please don't make comments like you know what Pittsburgh is like just because you drove down a couple main roads in bad areas during the day, or because you've lived here a couple years. Unless you've been in back streets deep in Pittsburgh don't make comments like you know what Pittsburgh is like. You can't possible understand what goes on in a city because you drive down a main road in a city, during the day and looked at the buildings. Trust me, many people are torn over the extreme violence that has take place in the area in the past couple months. Don't belittle it. Also, don't act like you know what Chicago is like unless you've been deep in a bad area or lived there. You may have heard what the city is like by reputation, but don't pretend like you know how bad or good it is just because you drove through or heard.

[Drover]

So let's see... statistics are invalid.... other people's impressions are invalid.... other people's personal experiences are invalid.... and only YOUR impressions and personal experiences are valid. Do I have that right so far?

[pgh412]

You're free to give your impression or opinion, but don't act like you know what it's like. I like to hear different people's opinions. However it seemed to me that some people were making statements like they knew how it is in the city with limited experience or knowledge. In other words, give your impression. Don't make an overrall statement with limited knowledge and make it sound as if you know. So no, you don't have that right so far.

[zip95]

Originally Posted by pgh412

Please leave the race stuff alone. It's all crap. It's All About Money.

I can't get on board with anything else you have said....but that....That's about as true a statement as I've read all day.

Good luck in your future endeavors Pimps.

[subdivisions]

Originally Posted by zip95

I can't get on board with anything else you have said....but that....That's about as true a statement as I've read all day.

Good luck in your future endeavors Pimps.

I don't think PGH412 is PimpsGangstersHos. I think they are two separate people. Pgh412 is the person who insists that Pittsburgh has a high crime rate because he watches a lot of crime stories on the news (funny - I seem to remember another famous user making that same ludicrous statement about 6 months ago - what are the odds?).

Conversely, Pimps/PPG is the one who's lived in a few bad neighborhoods and actually knows something. Even if you don't agree with what he said, at least he developed his opinions using first hand information.

[zip95]

Originally Posted by subdivisions

I don't think PGH412 is PimpsGangstersHos. I think they are two separate people.

I apologize for my assumptions, I hope I didn't offend anyone.

[Hopes]

Yes, Pimps/PPG and PGH412 are two different members.

Pimps lives/lived in these neighborhoods. PGH's father apparently worked in them.

My brother-in-law sometimes worked in them. He kept a baseball bat in his car and had a license to carry a firearm. But he never had any problems because he always went into those neighborhoods prior to noon.

A few bad neighborhoods in Pittsburgh isn't really a reflection of how dangerous Pittsburgh is overall. If you never go into those neighborhoods, the chances of anything happening to you are slim to none in Pittsburgh.

PGH412, I have lived in Pittsburgh almost my entire life. I have lived in Manchester as a fair-skinned, blonde-haired, green-eyed minority. I have lived in many other areas of Pittsburgh and I have done more than just drive through some of the other dangerous neighborhoods.

There are quite a few members in this thread who have first hand experience in these neighborhoods. Your experience is not first hand.