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[zip95]

Originally Posted by MarqueseGilmore

Hiphop has nothing to do with these kids being hopeless....Actually Hiphop is the only thing that gives these kids hope!!

That's delusional.

How could you possibly think that it's ok for young impressionable minds to endlessly hear destructive messages with a catchy tune.

be-a-tough-guy be-a-tough-guy be-a-tough-guy
sex-with-multiple-partners sex-with-multiple-partners
baby-mama baby-daddy baby-mama baby-daddy
alcohol alcohol alcohol
drugs drugs drugs

Of course it has an effect... it's impossible that it doesn't. Repetition is the father of learning.

I pledge allegiance to the flag...
Jesus loves the little children...
Buy-my-product Buy-my-product...
I'm a thug, i have lots of sex, and that's glamorous

All of these things shape culture by influencing young minds. Now of course, a strong and solid home life will usually drown out these negative messages... but we're not talking about people coming from stable families... are we?

[Little Mizz Pittsburgh]

There are a bunch of hopeless kids who look to hip-hop as being a way to get out of their HOPELESSNESS. I think that's what MarqueseGilmore was referring to, more than anything. It gives them an outlet. Many of today's famous rappers, came from the most violent, crime infested projects in New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc..etc......and became world known, and RICH on top of it. If these hopeless kids see that they did it,then that gives them HOPE that one day they can do it too. I don't agree with many of the lyrics myself, in today's rap music. And, I have a nephew that has been rapping for YEARS. Trying to become the next BIG star. Doing late night studio sessions at the recording studio in Lawrenceville. Even if he doesn't make it, it at least gives him an outlet, because I'd rather him do that, than be out on the streets doing lord knows what...................

[MarqueseGilmore]

Originally Posted by zip95

That's delusional.

How could you possibly think that it's ok for young impressionable minds to endlessly hear destructive messages with a catchy tune.

be-a-tough-guy be-a-tough-guy be-a-tough-guy
sex-with-multiple-partners sex-with-multiple-partners
baby-mama baby-daddy baby-mama baby-daddy
alcohol alcohol alcohol
drugs drugs drugs

Of course it has an effect... it's impossible that it doesn't. Repetition is the father of learning.

I pledge allegiance to the flag...
Jesus loves the little children...
Buy-my-product Buy-my-product...
I'm a thug, i have lots of sex, and that's glamorous

All of these things shape culture by influencing young minds. Now of course, a strong and solid home life will usually drown out these negative messages... but we're not talking about people coming from stable families... are we?

As far as hiphop.....you only want to see things in one light! Ofcourse you have music just like movies that use adult language but you also have artist like Nas,Jay,Krs1,Scarface,Mos def,Talib Kweli,Dead Prez who tell kids they can do better. Look at Soulja Boy,although I'm not the biggest fan of his music. He's the biggest example of hope that a kid can see. He's a teenage young man whom took his own destiny in his hands. NO you only want to point out one kind of hiphop and thats not balanced!

Its impossible to blame Hiphop for the shortcomings of a nation. Just like its impossible to blame movies or any other form of entertainment! Does Rock n Roll have destructive message? It was destructive in Terminator were Arnold Schwartzneger killed a gazillion people! What about the movie Gladiator?What about the movie Dark Knight that was violent? No you all just wanna make hiphop the scapegoat because you have young black men making more money than you!

[MarqueseGilmore]

Originally Posted by Little Mizz Pittsburgh

There are a bunch of hopeless kids who look to hip-hop as being a way to get out of their HOPELESSNESS. I think that's what MarqueseGilmore was referring to, more than anything. It gives them an outlet. Many of today's famous rappers, came from the most violent, crime infested projects in New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc..etc......and became world known, and RICH on top of it. If these hopeless kids see that they did it,then that gives them HOPE that one day they can do it too. I don't agree with many of the lyrics myself, in today's rap music. And, I have a nephew that has been rapping for YEARS. Trying to become the next BIG star. Doing late night studio sessions at the recording studio in Lawrenceville. Even if he doesn't make it, it at least gives him an outlet, because I'd rather him do that, than be out on the streets doing lord knows what...................

Agreed! and I happen to be a hiphop artist myself....My hiphop is more pop and techno inspired but beside God and my Mother...Hiphop truly saved my life. I'm not too fond of certain hiphop but I respect them cause they made it out! Second, a parent has a responsibility to filter what their kids watch and listen to. IF the parents arent active then I wouldnt blame the actuall genre of Hiphop......blame the parents. OFF TOPIC.....but yeah.

[steindle]

Originally Posted by MarqueseGilmore

No you all just wanna make hiphop the scapegoat because you have young black men making more money than you!

Hah. Right, this is exactly it. It has nothing to do with concern for impressionable youth being inundated by misogyny and materialism. It's all just about me being a racist. You've seen right through my devious plan.

There are truly not enough s in the world for you.

[MarqueseGilmore]

Originally Posted by steindle

Hah. Right, this is exactly it. It has nothing to do with concern for impressionable youth being inundated by misogyny and materialism. It's all just about me being a racist. You've seen right through my devious plan.

There are truly not enough s in the world for you.

Originally Posted by MarqueseGilmore

Its impossible to blame Hiphop for the shortcomings of a nation. Just like its impossible to blame movies or any other form of entertainment! Does Rock n Roll have destructive message? It was destructive in Terminator were Arnold Schwartzneger killed a gazillion people! What about the movie Gladiator?What about the movie Dark Knight that was violent? No you all just wanna make hiphop the scapegoat because you have young black men making more money than you!

????????Your right theres not......

[Herodotus]

Originally Posted by MarqueseGilmore

Agreed! and I happen to be a hiphop artist myself....My hiphop is more pop and techno inspired but beside God and my Mother...Hiphop truly saved my life. I'm not too fond of certain hiphop but I respect them cause they made it out! Second, a parent has a responsibility to filter what their kids watch and listen to. IF the parents arent active then I wouldnt blame the actuall genre of Hiphop......blame the parents. OFF TOPIC.....but yeah.

Well, I don't respect folks who made it out via the blood of my people. "Supaman that hoe"! WTF!! What type of message is that? Souja Boy is garbage. Yeah, there are Hip Hop artists who have a positive message. Unfortunately, they aren't the artists being played on WAMO. How many rappers today could make a record like "Road To The Riches". A hard street tale, yet very cautionary, and not a single curse word. I'm not sure the garbage today should even be called Hip Hop, as it bears no resemblance to the music I loved 20 years ago.

[MarqueseGilmore]

Originally Posted by Herodotus

Well, I don't respect folks who made it out via the blood of my people. "Supaman that hoe"! WTF!! What type of message is that? Souja Boy is garbage. Yeah, there are Hip Hop artists who have a positive message. Unfortunately, they aren't the artists being played on WAMO. How many rappers today could make a record like "Road To The Riches". A hard street tale, yet very cautionary, and not a single curse word. I'm not sure the garbage today should even be called Hip Hop, as it bears no resemblance to the music I loved 20 years ago.

Originally Posted by MarqueseGilmore

Its impossible to blame Hiphop for the shortcomings of a nation. Just like its impossible to blame movies or any other form of entertainment! Does Rock n Roll have destructive message? It was destructive in Terminator were Arnold Schwartzneger killed a gazillion people! What about the movie Gladiator?What about the movie Dark Knight that was violent? No you all just wanna make hiphop the scapegoat because you have young black men making more money than you!

You just dont like hiphop but dont use a powerful voice that reaches the masses as a scapegoat is all I'm saying.

[Little Mizz Pittsburgh]

Originally Posted by Herodotus

Well, I don't respect folks who made it out via the blood of my people. "Supaman that hoe"! WTF!! What type of message is that? Souja Boy is garbage. Yeah, there are Hip Hop artists who have a positive message. Unfortunately, they aren't the artists being played on WAMO. How many rappers today could make a record like "Road To The Riches". A hard street tale, yet very cautionary, and not a single curse word. I'm not sure the garbage today should even be called Hip Hop, as it bears no resemblance to the music I loved 20 years ago.

Well, I can definitely agree with you there. I'm an old school hip-hop JUNKIE. True B-GIRL. But times have changed, and people have to learn how to change with them sometimes. I have a 16 year old, so I have no other choice but to listen to today's hip-hop. Some of it I like, some of it I don't. I enjoy the beats more than the lyrics, though. However, I won't sit there and turn my nose up at it. There's plenty of times, I've had some Boogie Down Productions playing, LOUDLY, in the car, and she sat there like a soldier and took it like a pro, even though I know for a fact, she wasn't feelin' it...AT ALL.

My, has this thread gotten off topic.......

[Copanut]

My brother hit me in the head with a hammer in the 60's, damn those Three Stooges!