From Cleveland area to Pittsburgh area, comparable areas (Mount Lebanon, Lebanon: houses, school districts)

[Hopes]

Originally Posted by SewickleyPA

I can't comment on the horse stables since I do not ride, but the shopping comment is incorrect. I would know, since I currently live there. There is a lot of shopping and restaurants in town, and it is only a 7 min. drive to moon, 15 min. to Robinson, 20 min. to the North Hills, and 23 min. to Cranberry.

I didn't realize Moon and Robinson were so close. The stables are a problem though. Otherwise, Sewickley would be a perfect area for the OP.

[Hopes]

Originally Posted by SewickleyPA

I just looked up Shaker Heights: The racial makeup of the city was 59.94% White, 34.11% African American, 0.06% Native American, 3.16% Asian, 0.01% Pacific Islander, 0.50% from other races, and 2.22% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.15% of the population.

Only having a mix of black and white usually really considered "diverse" outside of the rust belt. It looks like a lot like the "diversity" that you would see throughout the city of Pittsburgh, however.

Yeah, I don't think there is any township or neigbhorhood that has a 35% black population anywhere in Pittsburgh's greater metro area.

Penn Hills has a 24% black population, but it's definitely not an upper-middle-class neighborhood like Shaker Heights.

Shaker Heights' median family income is near 100k. Penn Hills' median family income is only 49k.

Fox Chapel and Sewickley Heights (not Sewickley the town) are the only areas in Pittsburgh with median family incomes that are comparable to Shaker Heights.

Mt Lebanon doesn't even qualify at 79k.

(Very few people believe me when I say that Fox Chapel has the highest concentration of weatlh in Pittsburgh's metropolitan area, but it's true.)

[striegel]

All this feedback is wonderful! Just the sort of thing I was trying to find. Thanks for everything so far. I have a lot of homework to do now.

[Hopes]

Just an FYI. Even though Fox Chapel Boro and Sewickley Heights have the highest concentration of wealthy, their public school districts actually have a significant lower class population in the schools because the school districts serve lower income adjacent towns. Hampton doesn't have that dynamic because it's not adjacent to a low income area. Hampton is a solid upper middle class district. It might not matter to you, but I felt obligated to mention it.

[SewickleyPA]

Originally Posted by Hopes

Just an FYI. Even though Fox Chapel Boro and Sewickley Heights have the highest concentration of wealthy, their public school districts actually have a significant lower class population in the schools because the school districts serve lower income adjacent towns. Hampton doesn't have that dynamic because it's not adjacent to a low income area. Hampton is a solid upper middle class district. It might not matter to you, but I felt obligated to mention it.

I believe you are talking about the towns of Leetsdale/Haysville/Glenfield. Lower income areas do not directly correlate to higher crime areas, these towns are just as safe as the rest of the Quaker Valley SD. Mario Lemieux even sends his kids to QV, so that tells you something right there about the school district.

[SewickleyPA]

Originally Posted by Hopes

Yeah, I don't think there is any township or neigbhorhood that has a 35% black population anywhere in Pittsburgh's greater metro area.

Penn Hills has a 24% black population, but it's definitely not an upper-middle-class neighborhood like Shaker Heights.

Shaker Heights' median family income is near 100k. Penn Hills' median family income is only 49k.

Fox Chapel and Sewickley Heights (not Sewickley the town) are the only areas in Pittsburgh with median family incomes that are comparable to Shaker Heights.

Mt Lebanon doesn't even qualify at 79k.

(Very few people believe me when I say that Fox Chapel has the highest concentration of weatlh in Pittsburgh's metropolitan area, but it's true.)

Are renters included in the calculations of the per capita/median incomes?

[Hopes]

Originally Posted by SewickleyPA

Are renters included in the calculations of the per capita/median incomes?

Of course.

[Hopes]

Here are the rankings of wealth for the state and the country:

List of Pennsylvania locations by per capita income - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Highest-income places in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fox Chapel ranks 3rd and Sewickley Heights ranks 4th --- in the entire state.

(Keep in mind, that's just the ranking for Sewickley Heights. Sewickley Hills ranks 61st in the state and Sewickley the town ranks 148th in the state.)

Fox Chapel (96th) and Sewickley Heights (98th) ranks within the top 100 for the entire country.

Mt. Lebanon ranks 100th in the state and doesn't make it on the national list.

[Hopes]

Originally Posted by SewickleyPA

I believe you are talking about the towns of Leetsdale/Haysville/Glenfield. Lower income areas do not directly correlate to higher crime areas, these towns are just as safe as the rest of the Quaker Valley SD.

I never said anything about crime.

I was informed in another thread that many upper middle class families don't want their children associating with lower class and impoverished children.

That's not my opinion, but I thought I should mention it just in case it matters to the OP.

Originally Posted by SewickleyPA

Mario Lemieux even sends his kids to QV, so that tells you something right there about the school district.

So what? He's a man who made a bunch of money playing hockey. I'm not going to resort to name dropping.


Oh, wait. Why am I defending Fox Chapel?

Initially, I thought Hampton would be the best fit, but Pine Township really is the closet in median family income to Shaker Heights.

Fox Chapel and Sewickley Heights are both way higher, and Hampton is somewhat lower.

Pine Richland School District ranks 9th in the county. Her husband couldn't ask for an easier commute either.

Then again, Hampton's school district has a very high ranking. It's really a great place.

OP --- add Pine Township (which is served by the Pine Richland School District) to your research list.



(Marshall, Bradford Woods and Franklin Park all fall within the same demographics, but the school district (North Allegheny) is super huge and ranks 21st in the county.)

[Herodotus]

Originally Posted by Hopes

(Very few people believe me when I say that Fox Chapel has the highest concentration of weatlh in Pittsburgh's metropolitan area, but it's true.)

I always thought it was well known that Fox Chapel and Sewickley Heights were by far the wealthiest areas in the region. Mt Lebanon has areas that are comparable, but Mt. Lebanon has significant areas of modest housing that contains a lower middle class population, and that drags their overall numbers down. I would guess that Virginia Manor compares very well with FC, and SH.