11-22-2009, 11:09 AM
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In 2008, the American Lung Association ranked the Pittsburgh area as the nation's third most polluted metropolitan area, behind Los Angeles and Bakersfield, CA.[70] This ranking is disputed by the Allegheny County Health Department, since data from only one of Pittsburgh's 20 air quality monitors were used by the ALA. Furthermore, the monitor used is located downwind of U.S. Steel's Clairton Coke Works, the nation's largest coke plant.[71]
In 2009, Pittsburgh was named most livable city in the United States and 29th-most-livable city worldwide by The Economist .
how can this be? with all the rain and how small pittsburgh is compared to LA.. What gives?
11-22-2009, 12:09 PM
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how can this be? with all the rain and how small pittsburgh is compared to LA.. What gives?
Hi Bench Warmer,
I have heard the this ranking comes from one of the sensors being right downwind of a coke-burning smoke stack. So, many feel it was unfair.
However, I did recently talk with a fellow, Dr. Conrad Volz, Professor of Environmental Health at University of Pittsburgh, who said that the Governor, Ed Rendell is pretty gung-ho about coal-fired powerplants, and many are downstream (but upwind) in the Ohio River Valley. So, obviously only so much pollution can come from the city, but quite a bit more accumulates from the industry upwind in Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, and W. PA. It seems that such sites would have a larger effect on Pittsburgh than other sites further east across the mountains. Although the stats and no. 3 ranking might be erroneous, I gathered from Dr. Volz that is it not a trivial concern. I would agree that with all the rainy days, which should clear the air, the absolute amount of pollution being produced must be large to keep the air dirty. The rivers also have issues with industrial wastes and toxins in accumulating in sediments and long-lived predaceous fish. So, although most here will point out the tremendous transformation from the extremely polluted times of the past, there still seems to be work to be done.
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11-22-2009, 12:22 PM
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To summarize a complex topic, in most parts of the Metro Area that #3 ranking is not accurately reflective of our relative air quality. That said, in isolated areas there is in fact a serious problem, and while overall our air quality is about average for a city of our size, we nonetheless should be working toward doing better. And we are doing some things along those lines, but we could be doing more.
So I don't want to downplay the importance of addressing these issues. The overall ranking is, however, misleading.
11-22-2009, 03:06 PM
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I would take the word of the Allegheny CO Health Dept over the guy from Pitt. Blaming Indiana, almost 300 miles away, let alone Illinois, another 150 miles west (from google maps), is a bit of a stretch. The air pollution from those states would be pretty dispersed by the time it reached Pittsburgh. Ohio? Maybe the far eastern part. Western Pennsylvania? Most of W PA is in the Pittsburgh metro area, certainly Beaver County, which goes all the way to Ohio is part of the MSA. W. VA? Again, a maybe.
11-22-2009, 05:02 PM
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I would take the word of the Allegheny CO Health Dept over the guy from Pitt. Blaming Indiana, almost 300 miles away, let alone Illinois, another 150 miles west (from google maps), is a bit of a stretch. The air pollution from those states would be pretty dispersed by the time it reached Pittsburgh. Ohio? Maybe the far eastern part. Western Pennsylvania? Most of W PA is in the Pittsburgh metro area, certainly Beaver County, which goes all the way to Ohio is part of the MSA. W. VA? Again, a maybe.
I beg to differ. Dr. Volz is an expert on environmental health. I came away feeling he really loves the area, but has a rather sober and very informed view of its environmental challenges. Pollution can move and accumulate in interesting and nonintuitive ways. I work with national parks that are almost all affected by advected pollution from off-site sources. For example, Sequoia National Park in California is strongly affected by pollution from the California Bay Area with is nearly 200 miles north and west. The Bay Area generally has good air quality for the opposite reason, coastal winds whisk it rapidly east and south. What matters is where pollution moves, encounters barriers, and accumulates. Areas like Pittsburgh that are backed by mountains are sites of accumulation whether or not they produced the pollution in the airshed. I don't want to oversimplify here, or choose one source over another, just to say that accumulating pollution is very well known in many areas. And in this regard, geography is not fair. Some people pollute without feeling its consequences,while other comparatively blameless parties often must deal with those consequences.
11-22-2009, 05:35 PM
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I have no idea where it comes from and could not form a scientific opinon on it to save my life, but I do know that the air here does not smell good. When I go on vacation, I can tell I'm out of Pittsburgh because I can finally breath and the air actually smells good.
For some reason, the air seems thinner here and it has nothing to do with the elevation of the city. It's certainly not like it was here years ago with all the soot and dirty air (or so I'm told since I did not grow up here). The air looks clear to me, but it certainly doesn't smell good. Must be some good reason for it.
11-23-2009, 06:18 PM
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I addressed this at length a few months back
in this thread addressing the previous year's American Lung Association report.
I'm reposting below (with links properly formatted this time).
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I don't know where people are getting their information from. This conclusion wasn't based on "one monitor by a coke plant in Clairton"
it was based on every air monitor in the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Air Quality System (http://lungaction.org/reports/sota07_methodology.html - broken link). In Allegheny County (where Pittsburgh is located) that system includes
8 separate monitor sites (yes, one of them is at Clairton, based on EPA regulatory requirements for the placement of air monitors). The county air report I linked above also shows that in 2007 every one of these 8 monitor sites recorded days where particulate matter levels exceeded EPA's maximum health-based standards. Every monitor site in Allegheny County has recorded a problem!
If you still want to say that Clairton is skewing the results, consider this:
"Kevin Stewart, director of environmental health for the American Lung Association of Pennsylvania, said he understands Pittsburgh's frustration with the No. 1 ranking, but even if the Liberty-Clairton area is removed from the calculations, the metropolitan area would still rank 16th worst out of 222 metropolitan areas covered in the report." [
source ]
And what if every metropolitan area was given the luxury of removing their worst performing monitor? Then we'd be right back at the top of the list.
Several commenters in this forum have suggested there's some sort of shadowy conspiracy to portray Pittsburgh's air quality as worse than it is. Ignoring how difficult it would be to manipulate official EPA data from official monitoring sites, why would anyone
want to do that? What would they have to gain? And even if environmentalists were that scheming, what makes Pittsburgh environmentalists so special that they can skew air quality results while environmentalists in other metropolitan areas can't?
I'd ask you all to look at the facts and make up your own minds rather than relying on a few grossly misinformed individuals efforts to discredit the study. The entire study, including a description of data sources and methodology is available
here (http://lungaction.org/reports/stateoftheair2007.html - broken link).
To address a few other points brought up in the present thread:
1. Despite being smaller than LA, Pittsburgh is affected by many large sources of particulate matter pollution. We've got a lot more coal power plants, steel mills, and coke ovens than you'll find in LA.
2. There's some truth to the statement that part of our problem results from out of state pollution (though local industry would have you believe
all of our local air pollution is someone else's fault). Allegheny County has a monitor in South Fayette that is sited to measure "background" particle pollution (i.e particulate matter concentrations largely unaffected by local sources.) That monitor typically measures around 13 ug/m3 before local sources tack on another 2-6 ug/m3 (see
p.4 of this PDF ). (The EPA annual health-based standard is 15 ug/m3).
3. Despite what I said in #2, the background concentrations from out of state play a very small role in the reason our air ranks so poorly in air quality reports:
short term particle pollution i.e. large, 24-hour spikes in PM concentrations. Short-term spikes are influenced almost entirely by local sources and local meteorology (e.g.
air inversions ).
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"in addition to the regional air quality problem, there is a localized air quality issue in the local sources and the specific geologic and meteorological features of the area. Large industry located along the river sides in the valley. The sharp difference in elevation between the industrial and residential areas and the high hillsides surrounding them create a significant river basin, and spikes in localized PM2.5 concentrations coincide with temperature inversions. "
from pp 6-7 of this gigantic PDF.
My guess is that the air smells most foul when an air inversion is in effect. I often notice a sulfur smell around 6-9am or perhaps a bit earlier (if I'm awake). That time frame is when air inversions are most likely to occur.
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11-23-2009, 06:37 PM
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My guess is that the air smells most foul when an air inversion is in effect. I often notice a sulfur smell around 6-9am or perhaps a bit earlier (if I'm awake). That time frame is when air inversions are most likely to occur.
Very informative post!
I was wondering about whether it might be sulfurous compounds. We have had many complaints about the smell of timber pulp mills in the Pacific Northwest. I believe it is because sulfuric acid is used as part of the digestion process for converting wood to pulp and paper. It is quite pungent and unpleasant, when you are directly downwind from the stacks.
11-23-2009, 09:37 PM
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That guy from Pitt makes no sense. If the bad air was from Illinois, Indiana, or Ohio wouldnt cities in those sates be more polluted then Pittsburgh?
11-23-2009, 09:40 PM
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That guy from Pitt makes no sense. If the bad air was from Illinois, Indiana, or Ohio wouldnt cities in those sates be more polluted then Pittsburgh?
No. Read my long-winded post above on just this topic.
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Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)