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Old 06-09-2010, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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No it's not.

I guess kennedy's embargo of cuba was illegal? oh wait, no jews involved, let's ignore that.
Those were nuclear warheads. Kennedy would have no leg to stand on with conventional weapons. In addition, we installed missiles in Turkey pointed at the USSR so MAD had to be maintained at all costs.
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:48 AM
 
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enforcing blockades is not illegal. quit obsessing about israel
Well now that would depend on the legality of the blockade, and how it was being enforced, wouldn't it?
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:49 AM
 
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attempting to enforce blockades in international waters by force w/out an international mandate IS illegal. It is also not wise to attack a NATO country, that is unless you know you can do so if you're strongest ally will not condemn the attack against a fellow NATO member. It is exactly what the USSR attempted to do for 30 years. Israel is the first to be successful at it.
Actually what Israel did was legal. I suggest you check the international law of the seas. You can find it here: ILRG: San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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Right! Events of 70 years ago are of course justification for anything Israel does today!
Isn't isn't remotely as bad as many regimes that don't even get any media attention. How many people have died in Darfur since you've been obsessing over the flotilla incident? hundreds? Thousands? Yet you don't care because they aren't Israel..

Why the obsession about Israel?

NK sank a south korean ship. You don't care, not Israel...

Russia invaded Georgia not too long ago, and conquered s. ossetia. I didn't see 1/1000th of the obsession about that as there is of Israel.
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:49 AM
 
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They have a right to protect themselves. What part of that do you not understand?
Is that right absolute? Can they simply do anything they want in furtherance of that goal?

I agree that they have a right to defend themselves. Whether they were doing that in this case is a different issue.
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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Is that right absolute? Can they simply do anything they want in furtherance of that goal?

I agree that they have a right to defend themselves. Whether they were doing that in this case is a different issue.
Can you list countries that are not israel that also shouldn't be allowed to enforce blockades?

You do realize that under maritime law, Israel is even allowed to sink ships running blockades. They didn't have to send their soldiers over and risk their lives..
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Isn't isn't remotely as bad as many regimes that don't even get any media attention. How many people have died in Darfur since you've been obsessing over the flotilla incident? hundreds? Thousands? Yet you don't care because they aren't Israel..

Why the obsession about Israel?

NK sank a south korean ship. You don't care, not Israel...

Russia invaded Georgia not too long ago, and conquered s. ossetia. I didn't see 1/1000th of the obsession about that as there is of Israel.
Because the US taxpayer doesn't contribute to either country's defense. As a US taxpayer who is forced into a socialist welfare program to fund Israel and Palestine, I certainly have a say on who gets what.
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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Because the US taxpayer doesn't contribute to either country's defense. As a US taxpayer who is forced into a socialist welfare program to fund Israel and Palestine, I certainly have a say on who gets what.
You are a fool if you believe that. What do you think keeps Kim Jong Il and his family in power? The payments we give him, to keep him "peaceful". We're about to make another massive payment to him, so he can hold onto power for another few years, then he'll get all bellicose when he needs more money.
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:59 AM
 
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Can you list countries that are not israel that also shouldn't be allowed to enforce blockades?

You do realize that under maritime law, Israel is even allowed to sink ships running blockades. They didn't have to send their soldiers over and risk their lives..
Betamanlet, I have to say again I am not fond of your method of argument.

Your question has nothing to do with my statement, as usual. I never said Israel didn't have the right to enforce the blockade - I merely noted that some may not think it entirely legal. I have no position on that.

What another country may do to legally enforce a blockade in some other circumstance is irrelevant.

Israel blew this one, big time. Even if they were wholly within their legal rights, what they did was stupid and counterproductive - exactly what we have come to expect from Netanyahu and his kind.

Israel needs better leaders, ones that won't constantly pull this kind of stupid,l counterproductive crap and put us in the position of having to defend them in yet another tragic and embarassing situation.

While I think it is important for the US to support our ally, they have repeatedly shown that they do not respect this relationship - and it has caused our own country a great deal of strife, tragedy and loss of political goodwill across the globe.

Our support for an ally that puts us in such positions should not be absolute, ever.
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Old 06-09-2010, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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You are a fool if you believe that. What do you think keeps Kim Jong Il and his family in power? The payments we give him, to keep him "peaceful". We're about to make another massive payment to him, so he can hold onto power for another few years, then he'll get all bellicose when he needs more money.
Ah, so you believe I'm in favor of this socialist program as well? Unlike RINO libs, I support ending ALL foreign aid programs.
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