Rumors of a coup. Can it happen? (legal, Marines, program)

[GregW]

UpNort -
What, specifically, are the problems created by the government? Is there too much military spending and foreign imperial wars? I would say yes. As a grandmother do you want your grand kids going off to fight in Afghanistan so an international company can steal the copper?

Is there too much Welfare and unemployment insurance? I would say NO.

Is big business, mostly finance, regulated sufficiently? I would say NO.

Is the Income tax fair. Definitely not. We need to return to the rates of the early 1950's.

What are the "added policies" that woke people up? Deficit spending to stop another Great Depression?

Waiting for the oil men to fix their own well? Yeah that is a problem but the real problem was insufficient regulation resulting in no clean up plan. That is BP's problem.

There is no need for a coup so there will not be one. Our Republic is being rescued from the financial elites that nearly destroyed it for their own profit.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by GuyNTexas

You cannot be selective in your recall of "history" without being intellectually disingenuous.

Of course you can. It's called "making a point." This is an Internet forum, for god's sake. Not a doctoral dissertation.

Originally Posted by GuyNTexas

Based on the principles clearly outlined in the declaration of independence ... that being that the purpose of government is to serve the people .... and the right of the people to remove one that does not serve them, and to create a new government that does is clearly stated, as this was the charge leveled at the British Royalty.

Apples and pears. The American Revolution was exactly that; a revolution. It was not some absurd pretense of "saving the monarchy by destroying the monarchy." Our forefathers knew exactly that what they were embarking on was a wholesale rejection of the previous order.

There could be no more final and effective evisceration of our Constitution than a military overthrow of the civilian government that is Constitutionally its master. For the life of me I do not understand why you do not simply admit that you think the Constitution sucks and then move on with your sedition without the overhead of fake patriotism.

Originally Posted by GuyNTexas

When the Southern States chose to secede, their right to do so was founded on that principle that these states entered into the Union of their own free will and therefore had the right to leave that Union. It was the actions of the Union army directed by Lincoln that was the violation, and it was clearly "Marshall Law" with the Union army forcing these states to remain under Union rule ... not too dissimilar from the War of Independence.

I am always more than a little amused by apologists for the Confederacy. Need I point out that there actually was a Civil War, and it ultimately settled on the battlefield the issue of whether or not the South possessed a "right to leave the union." It was not "martial law." It was a civil war.

And the Confederacy lost.

Originally Posted by GuyNTexas

Very surface level analysis ... and because of that, your position is not even slightly defendable. The civilian "leadership" that you claim has total control over the military is ITSELF controlled ... and not by the people, but by the international bankers, and the military industrial complex.

Pretending again for the tiniest of seconds that this is true, the United States military does not and cannot care. The Constitution forbids it. If their civilian leadership is controlled by somebody else, then that too is the circumstance that our Constitution has delivered to us.

Now... we have established that you yourself holds this part (and apparently other parts) of the Constitution in contempt. But the US Officer Corps is the most professional such corps in existence, and protects its Constitution mandate jealously and zealously.

Originally Posted by GuyNTexas

Consequently, civilian control is just an illusion. What REAL difference is it if the military operated under the total control of one dictator .. like Hitler .. or whether it was a group of dictators that we have today? The answer is none, insofar as the will of the American people being carried out or ignored.

Oh... I assure you, it is no illusion. Let me provide an illustrative anecdote.

When a West Point class graduates, the (friendly) competition begins immediately for the first member of the class to achieve a general's star. By the time people are getting promoted to Field Grade, the field has already started to narrow by about 2/3rds based on who gets promoted below the zone. By the time first stars are handed out, the competition will generally be between about ten people out of a class of 800.

My Class (1978) should have anticipated our first general officer at about year 25 (2003). But in 1998, our classmate (and my roommate) Lou Caldera became Secretary of the Army. At that moment, the competition was over, since even as a civilian he outranked every 4-Star General in the Army. I attended a couple Army-Navy Games with him when he was Secretary, and I assure you that every General at the game (to include Army Chief of Staff Shinseki) were explicitly clear on who commanded who.

Sorry, Guy. In spite of your fantasy regarding a military coup, the military actually is composed of patriots. They will not turn this particular dream into a reality for you.

Originally Posted by GuyNTexas

What you advocate is not the issue ... the question was could it happen .. and the answer is, it already has happened.

Apparently not. I note that as of this posting the military stationed Conus have not left their barracks.

Originally Posted by GuyNTexas

And it was tried way back .... General Smedly Butler was recruited to execute a military coup, but he refused to participate.

Of course:

1. He said no and called BS on the coup, reporting it to the appropriate authorities and testifying in front of congress. Exactly as I have told you the military will react.

2. He was retired at the time.

Originally Posted by GuyNTexas

Uninformed and NIAVE in the 1st degree.

Yawn.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by UpNort

I'm not the one behind the experiments on the people. I'm not the one who wants population control. I'm not the one who is taking this country down a destrutive path for power and control.

"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."

- Unknown

[UpNort]

Financial elites are what is still controling our country thru our polititions. Really who do you think calls the shots? bho does what he is told, just like the rest of them. This so called rescue is part of the plan to redistribute the wealth and eliminate the middle class. This oil spill is a push for cap and trade, exactly what the elites want. They are the one's who will get richer from it. Ofcource, I don't want my grandchildren to go to war, but the elite were behind that too.

Greg--this information about the elites has been posted here many times. If you read and put all the pieces together, it is very clear.

The elites you are refering to is big business, who do you think they are? They are part of the elites who want to control our country. Our polititions have been in bed with them very willingly for many years.

bho was selected ---because of his beliefs were in line with taking this country down. And if by chance you want to give him the benefit of the doubt---the elite have an agenda and his power isn't going to stop him. Everything he is doing to stop the problems seem to create new ones for the people. Which is accomplishing exactly what the elite want. Read Agenda 21, a very real program that was implemented years ago.

Greg--if you read my posts--What are they spraying on the people? Why are they spraying? Who gets rich from the spraying? Who gave them consent to spray? You think bho doesn't know about this? Look at the air space used for this daily in the U.S., he doesn't know dozens of jets are flying around, our radar doesn't show this? If you say he doesn't know--then my point of the elites controlling our country is correct. If you say he does, then he is part of the problem, since he controlls our military or does he?

[UpNort]

HistorianDude

There is a difference between paranoid and truth.

Your truth would be that the planes I see spraying regularly are a hallucination. Your truth is the experiments on the people didn't happen. Your truth is agenda 21 isn't real.Your truth is a blatant lie!!

You spend alot of time defending anything that is in question with the government on this forum. Either you are not as intelligent as you seem or you are here to deflect the truth!

[brattpowered]

The only people who would attempt a coup are ones that must hate the principles of our country so much that they'd circumvent the democratic process in order to do so.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by UpNort

There is a difference between paranoid and truth.

It is my assertion that you personally are unable to parse that difference.

Originally Posted by UpNort

Your truth would be that the planes I see spraying regularly are a hallucination. Your truth is the experiments on the people didn't happen. Your truth is agenda 21 isn't real.Your truth is a blatant lie!!

No. My truth is that of a trained aerospace engineer (that's what my undergrad degree is in). And it is that you're not hallucinating when you see contrails. They are water vapor. There is no spraying involved beyond jet engine exhaust.

Originally Posted by UpNort

You spend alot of time defending anything that is in question with the government on this forum. Either you are not as intelligent as you seem or you are here to deflect the truth!

Why is it that you guys can never seem to count higher than two? Those are not the only options.

The real world is almost never "either / or."

[UpNort]

I'm not going to go back and forth with you over this spraying, shame on you for keeping the lie going to the people. I've seen pictures of San Diego from people there and they get sprayed pretty heavy. There are alot of groups trying to get it stopped, with test results showing how unhealthy it is to us and the enviroment. With real research you would know this. Areospace engineers should look outside of the box since this would be of interest to you.


Here are 2 groups that I know of in Ca. working at getting this info out to the public and stop it. There are many state groups out there with facts. Government cover-up or elite running the show or both.
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[UpNort]

It's funny thousands of people see and document this going on. If they were passenger planes, the people must be getting very air sick over the staight up and down motions and making X's in the sky.

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[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by UpNort

I'm not going to go back and forth with you over this spraying, shame on you for keeping the lie going to the people.
I've seen pictures of San Diego from people there and they get sprayed pretty heavy. There are alot of groups trying to get it stopped, with test results showing how unhealthy it is to us and the enviroment. With real research you would know this. Areospace engineers should look outside of the box since this would be of interest to you.

We have an airport in San Diego. So yes, we have contrails. No, there is no spraying involved.

They are water.

"Chemtrails" are used only by ants to find their way back to the nest. The rest of it is pure, unadulterated, tin-foil-hat nuttiness.