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Silly thread, considering our society was designed from the beginning to be a mixture of collectivism and individualism, and thankfully so. There are certain things the private sector simply can't do and certain things they try to do and end up causing tons of problems for everybody else. I'm grateful we've had wise leaders throughout who have used government to regulate and guide markets.
But what a timeless song! I feel like she should be doing the Russian squat-leg kick dance, though.
I repeat- Without socializing them we would not have them, and I don't think that would make a better society.
Is the society of 2010 more polite, law abiding, and gentler than 1910?
Is there less poverty and want in 2010, than in 1910?
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You seem stuck on a technicality, but I'm looking at reality.
The Reality of socialist slavery is not a technicality.
It is an abomination.
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Do you want police, fire depts, education, etc. for everyone or not?
Why would I want them?
Police are under no legal obligation to protect, nor can you sue them for failure to protect.(See Supreme court)
Volunteer fire departments exist in many places. I prefer that people would build from nonflammable materials, but that's me.
Education is not a function of securing rights. It is the duty of the parents to educate their children. It is the responsibility of the adult to educate himself. However, the government sponsored indoctrination centers do not educate, but bestow credentials.
(See inverse relationship between spending and test scores)
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Voluntary charity and the private market are not sufficient, otherwise we would have no need to socialize these things.
Before 1935, private charity ran most hospitals without the need for socialist government. And they ran a two tiered system - wards for the indigent and private rooms for the paying guests.
Those same religious and philanthropic organizations also ran their own school systems, at a fraction of the cost of a public funded student.
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They would just always be available by a charitable society. But that's not the way humans work - especially in such a large, impersonal society.
Your experience is limited to post-socialist society.
A glimmer of the immensity can be found in this fact:
In 1910, the average tax load was 1%.
In 2010, the average tax load was 33 - 45% (Fed and State).
Do you really believe you live better, working 1/3 your life for someone else? And paying the inflation caused by the funny munny?
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So, where do you draw the line? No tax-funded schools? Police? Emergency room? Food stamps?
Any taxes at all? No income tax obviously.. property tax? Sales tax?
I do not consent to tax-funded indoctrination, private municipal armies, nor other compulsory levies.
I have no object to the income tax - it doesn't apply to those who are not volunteers. Estate taxes are not levied upon private property. Retail transaction taxes are empowered by the lack of lawful money - since 1933.
Pursuant to the founding documents, no right is subject to taxation. All taxes are either voluntary or only levied upon government granted privileges. It is an established axiom that taxing a right is the destruction of that right, no matter how little the tax is.
Silly thread, considering our society was designed from the beginning to be a mixture of collectivism and individualism, and thankfully so. There are certain things the private sector simply can't do and certain things they try to do and end up causing tons of problems for everybody else. I'm grateful we've had wise leaders throughout who have used government to regulate and guide markets.
That is incorrect.
The U.S. Constitution is explicitly opposed to collectivism / socialism / communism.
From the Communist manifesto:
"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
But American law protects private property
Amendment V, US Constitution 1789
... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Communism, Socialism, and Marxism abolish private property ownership and replaces it with collective ownership, with the superior rights in the State.
Is the society of 2010 more polite, law abiding, and gentler than 1910?
Is there less poverty and want in 2010, than in 1910?
No one is banning voluntary charity. So where is it?
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The Reality of socialist slavery is not a technicality.
It is an abomination.
Why would I want them?
Police are under no legal obligation to protect, nor can you sue them for failure to protect.(See Supreme court)
Volunteer fire departments exist in many places. I prefer that people would build from nonflammable materials, but that's me.
Education is not a function of securing rights. It is the duty of the parents to educate their children. It is the responsibility of the adult to educate himself. However, the government sponsored indoctrination centers do not educate, but bestow credentials.
(See inverse relationship between spending and test scores)
Police abuse their power sometimes and I abhor that. I think 'internal investigations' are a joke. But I would not give up a public police force, ran by elected officials, for private vigilantes who only protect those with money.
Before public education, illiteracy was rampant.
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Before 1935, private charity ran most hospitals without the need for socialist government. And they ran a two tiered system - wards for the indigent and private rooms for the paying guests.
Ya, those wards were real humane..
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Those same religious and philanthropic organizations also ran their own school systems, at a fraction of the cost of a public funded student.
Where are they now?
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Your experience is limited to post-socialist society.
A glimmer of the immensity can be found in this fact:
In 1910, the average tax load was 1%.
In 2010, the average tax load was 33 - 45% (Fed and State).
Do you really believe you live better, working 1/3 your life for someone else? And paying the inflation caused by the funny munny?
Funny munny is right, and I'll agree with you if you see the need to abolish the federal reserve.
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I do not consent to tax-funded indoctrination, private municipal armies, nor other compulsory levies.
I have no object to the income tax - it doesn't apply to those who are not volunteers. Estate taxes are not levied upon private property. Retail transaction taxes are empowered by the lack of lawful money - since 1933.
Pursuant to the founding documents, no right is subject to taxation. All taxes are either voluntary or only levied upon government granted privileges. It is an established axiom that taxing a right is the destruction of that right, no matter how little the tax is.
So you want to fund nothing. Are you an anarchist?
I didn't vote because there wasn't an option that suits my position. I'm all for collectivism so long as it's "voluntary". No coercion or force by government and corporations. The People MUST choose on their own.
The U.S. Constitution is explicitly opposed to collectivism / socialism / communism.
From the Communist manifesto:
"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
But American law protects private property
Amendment V, US Constitution 1789
... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Communism, Socialism, and Marxism abolish private property ownership and replaces it with collective ownership, with the superior rights in the State.
Do you even read your own propaganda?
1. No one's taking away private property. There is no evidence anywhere that that is happening.
2. When private property is taken, the owners are, in fact, given "just compensation", as required by the law of this nation.
So, my statement remains 100% correct. Perhaps further education on the functioning of our government before posting a rant would be in order in the future.
Title 26, EMPLOYMENT TAXES
Chapter 21-Federal Insurance Contributions Act
Section 3121 Definitions: Employment. For purposes of this chapter, the term "employment"
means any service, of whatever nature, performed
(A) by an employee for the person employing him, irrespective of the
citizenship or residence of either,
(i) within the United States (Federal government), or
(ii) on or in connection with an American vessel or American aircraft under a contract of service which is entered into within the United States ...
(B) Outside the United States by a citizen of the United States ... as an employee of an American employer (as defined in subsection(h)), ......
Is that really what Title 26 says? Could you provide a link to that version of Title 26? I refer specifically to: within the United States (Federal government)
For purposes of this chapter, the term “employment” means any service, of whatever nature, performed
(A) by an employee for the person employing him, irrespective of the citizenship or residence of either,
(i) within the United States, or
(ii) on or in connection with an American vessel or American aircraft under a contract of service which is entered into within the United States or during the performance of which and while the employee is employed on the vessel or aircraft it touches at a port in the United States, if the employee is employed on and in connection with such vessel or aircraft when outside the United States, or...
I included only the first part of (b) Employment - it's quite long. But there's no (Federal Government) in (A)(i).
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