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Old 06-17-2010, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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How many more of these hidden problems created because of Bush/Republican practice of unregulation or lax regulation will this great President have to deal with and resolve? Republicans, you failed this country and created the worse oil spill in history because your policies allowed companies like BP to cut corners for years. Add that to the fact that 750,000 jobs were being lost PER MONTH because of Bush/Republican policies. Add that to the disaster that Afghanistan turned out to be because of Bush's total mismanagement and perpetual lying about the progress there. Afghanistan worse than previously reported by Bush. Add to that the disaster that was Wall Street, Health Care, and God knows what else. Absolutely pathetic.

Republicans continue to criticize this president instead of acknowledging the real problem, their policies under Bush that have given this country serious, serious problems, many of which have yet to show themselves like this BP spill.


So 9/11 was Clinton's fault?


Actually, the sidestepping of regulations was allowed by BO's interior department in 2009 and 2010. Was that also Bush's fault?

In fact, at the time this article was written and long after the spill began, the same interior department was still issuing categorical exclusions to BP.



In the wake of the BP disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, the Department of the Interior’s Minerals Management Service (MMS) has continued to issue “categorical exclusions” for oil companies, allowing them to bypass the last stage of environmental review before proceeding with drilling projects, an Interior Department official told ABC News Wednesday.

Interior Department Continues to Issue


The Interior Department exempted BP's calamitous Gulf of Mexico drilling operation from a detailed environmental impact analysis last year, according to government documents, after three reviews of the area concluded that a massive oil spill was unlikely.

U.S. exempted BP's Gulf of Mexico drilling from environmental impact study


And let's not forget who BP's favorite politician is...

BP: Recipients | OpenSecrets
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Old 06-17-2010, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC USA
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It has taken me a long time to respond to this thread as I had to have a few hours to actually stomach someone calling Obama "great". The only time you should be using "great" and "Obama" in the same sentence is to say he is a "great failure" or that "he is greatly in over his head". Maybe "great mistake".

The ironic thing is that I think folks like Alexus actually believe this garbage that they write.
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Old 06-17-2010, 09:45 AM
 
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How many more of these hidden problems created because of Bush/Republican practice of unregulation or lax regulation will this great President have to deal with and resolve? Republicans, you failed this country and created the worse oil spill in history because your policies allowed companies like BP to cut corners for years. Add that to the fact that 750,000 jobs were being lost PER MONTH because of Bush/Republican policies. Add that to the disaster that Afghanistan turned out to be because of Bush's total mismanagement and perpetual lying about the progress there. Afghanistan worse than previously reported by Bush. Add to that the disaster that was Wall Street, Health Care, and God knows what else. Absolutely pathetic.

Republicans continue to criticize this president instead of acknowledging the real problem, their policies under Bush that have given this country serious, serious problems, many of which have yet to show themselves like this BP spill.
Funny. I don't see a single "hidden disaster" anywhere in your post. Are you implying that Candidate Obama simply didn't know what he faced when he took office? The rest of us had heard of those issues before. Why hadn't Obama?

No, that's not what you're saying at all. What you're saying is that you can't believe that Obama knew of the disaster that was the MMS, Afghanistan, Wall Street, and the economy and hasn't been able to win at any of those. So you're back to pointing fingers at Bush again to divert the attention from Obama's failures. That's what you're really saying.
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Old 06-17-2010, 09:47 AM
 
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How many more of these hidden problems created because of Bush/Republican practice of unregulation or lax regulation will this great President have to deal with and resolve? Republicans, you failed this country and created the worse oil spill in history because your policies allowed companies like BP to cut corners for years. Add that to the fact that 750,000 jobs were being lost PER MONTH because of Bush/Republican policies. Add that to the disaster that Afghanistan turned out to be because of Bush's total mismanagement and perpetual lying about the progress there. Afghanistan worse than previously reported by Bush. Add to that the disaster that was Wall Street, Health Care, and God knows what else. Absolutely pathetic.

Republicans continue to criticize this president instead of acknowledging the real problem, their policies under Bush that have given this country serious, serious problems, many of which have yet to show themselves like this BP spill.
Bill Clinton signed a bill limiting oil-spill liability to $78M, in exchange for oil companies drilling only where the feds told them they could drill. BP wanted to drill in an area where the water was 500 ft deep, but the Feds said no, and directed them to the current locations under 5,000 ft of water. Government mandated the location purusant to a bill signed by Clinton.
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Old 06-17-2010, 09:47 AM
 
Location: NE CT
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Blame and fingerpointing at others is merely an escape from the irresponsibility others carry in their own mind. It goes on all of the time and I never cease to marvel at the amount of instances of this behavour in DC by both parties. It is the primary reason nothing much gets done, which may be a good thing, yet when something is accomplished, the blame game begins immediately. This is a carousel of idiotic behaviour that the American electorate seems to accept because they think there are no alternatives to it. I can't count how many times I have heard the "I vote for lesser of two evils"....and yet they vote for an "evil"? I yi yi...why bother voting if you vote for evil?

Those who vote for this system have absolutely no reason to cry and moan until they wake up and realize there are alternatives to the two major parties that are currently ruining this nation. There are other parties that will welcome new members with open arms and you just may find you don't have to vote for "evil" anymore.

Americans vote in lockstep for the same two parties every election and expect something to change? I have heard that repeating the same exact action over and over, and expecting different results, is one defintion of insanity.
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Old 06-17-2010, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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The title of this post gave me a good chuckle. I guess it's like Nancy Pelosi said; "We'll stop blaming Bush when problems go away." But outside of DNC hq, people are going to stop buying the Blame Bush card.
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Old 06-17-2010, 09:54 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Actually, the sidestepping of regulations was allowed by BO's interior department in 2009 and 2010.
Yes.

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In fact, at the time this article was written and long after the spill began, the same interior department was still issuing categorical exclusions to BP.

In the wake of the BP disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, the Department of the Interior’s Minerals Management Service (MMS) has continued to issue “categorical exclusions” for oil companies, allowing them to bypass the last stage of environmental review before proceeding with drilling projects, an Interior Department official told ABC News Wednesday.
Interior Department Continues to Issue
That, too.

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And let's not forget who BP's favorite politician is...

BP: Recipients | OpenSecrets
Obama: as corrupt as they come...
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Old 06-17-2010, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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How many more of these hidden problems created because of Bush/Republican practice of unregulation or lax regulation will this great President have to deal with and resolve? Republicans, you failed this country and created the worse oil spill in history because your policies allowed companies like BP to cut corners for years. Add that to the fact that 750,000 jobs were being lost PER MONTH because of Bush/Republican policies. Add that to the disaster that Afghanistan turned out to be because of Bush's total mismanagement and perpetual lying about the progress there. Afghanistan worse than previously reported by Bush. Add to that the disaster that was Wall Street, Health Care, and God knows what else. Absolutely pathetic.

Republicans continue to criticize this president instead of acknowledging the real problem, their policies under Bush that have given this country serious, serious problems, many of which have yet to show themselves like this BP spill.
When you have a poor and ineffectual leader like 0bama, then any bump in the road becomes a significant problem, any problem becomes a sustaining crisis, and any disaster will become an epic catastrophe.

President obama has been in complete and utter control over the MMS agency, and he gave the go ahead to drill, skipped the monthly inspections and did nothing to reform the MMS or tighten regulations for 18 months. Its only after the oil rig explosion turned into a national disaster before he decided to finally do something with the MMS. It was not Bush who appointed Elizabeth Birnbaum as the MMS director, and it was not Bush who asked her to resign.

BTW, the new MMS director Michael R. Bromwich, knows nothing about oil drilling or minerals or management, he is just a litigation lawyer from the DoJ.

It sure would be nice, that when 0bama summons his staff of experts together to deal with issues like this oil disaster, that he actually had competent, experienced managers on the subject at hand, and not just a bunch of lawyers and academics.
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Old 06-17-2010, 10:08 AM
 
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If the OP is serious, I guess they missed the post where I pointed out that the contract for the build of the platform was in 1999, which means permits were probably applied for and recieved in the mid to late 90's.


Not missed...ignored!
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Old 06-17-2010, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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When you have a poor and ineffectual leader like 0bama, then any bump in the road becomes a significant problem, any problem becomes a sustaining crisis, and any disaster will become an epic catastrophe.

President obama has been in complete and utter control over the MMS agency, and he gave the go ahead to drill, skipped the monthly inspections and did nothing to reform the MMS or tighten regulations for 18 months. Its only after the oil rig explosion turned into a national disaster before he decided to finally do something with the MMS. It was not Bush who appointed Elizabeth Birnbaum as the MMS director, and it was not Bush who asked her to resign.

BTW, the new MMS director Michael R. Bromwich, knows nothing about oil drilling or minerals or management, he is just a litigation lawyer from the DoJ.

It sure would be nice, that when 0bama summons his staff of experts together to deal with issues like this oil disaster, that he actually had competent, experienced managers on the subject at hand, and not just a bunch of lawyers and academics.
And Salazar gets a pass and not a mention and he's also one who stood up and said he'd clean it up. Good old Ken must be part of the "inner circle" who can do no wrong.
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