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Old 06-21-2010, 08:29 PM
 
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The religious right will be confused about this.

Do you support this measure to stop teens from having nasty nasty sex or cry that the govt is over reaching?
Not the religious right but I don't think it's about kids having "nasty, nasty sex".

Could it have anything to do with child pornography? All I can think is that if you are under the age of 18 and taking naked pics and passing them along, receiving them, viewing them, could that be construed as soliciting/engaging in "child pornography"...especially if you are on the receiving end and 18years old or a 5th/6th year Sr?

I'm just asking, I don't know?
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Old 06-21-2010, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Over There
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The religious right will be confused about this.

Do you support this measure to stop teens from having nasty nasty sex or cry that the govt is over reaching?
Hey I got news for ya the "religious right" enjoy sex just as much as anyone else they just don't want TEENS having it as though it were like shopping for shoes.
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Old 06-21-2010, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Over There
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I would not keep them out of schools. You can bring your phone to school. By 0800 it is to be OFF and in your LOCKER until the end of the school day. If you get caught in class with it, the first time is a 3 day suspension. Anything after that will add more time. Oh, and each classroom will be equipped with a small can of water so the class can see what happens when a cell phone gets "dunked". That is how I will keep them out.

I never thought I would ever agree with you on anything but yup 100% in agreement!!! NO PHONES IN THE CLASSROOMS!
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Old 06-21-2010, 09:11 PM
 
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I think they should not only have the RIGHT to dunk it but the OBLIGATION to dunk it. Little Johnny won't bring it to class next time. And I have never heard of a high school with no lockers. Do students there not have books, band instruments and coats to hang up?
I've gone through this in two other threads...

Band instruments stay in the band room. Every teacher has a class set of books, so students do not have to bring their books to class. They are issued texts at the beginning of the year and they return them at the end. Books stay in one place (home), so they are not lost during the school year, and kids don't have to carry them back/forth to school. A win/win situation.

We don't wear coats in Miami.

As far as dunking cell phones...unfortunately, what you think doesn't count for squat. School personnel do not have the right to destroy a student's personal property.

Other, large, urban school districts have also eliminated lockers. Cuts down on tardies, congestion in the halls, and discipline problems.
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Old 06-21-2010, 10:09 PM
 
Location: California
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A job and a church are private entity and as such able to regulate the behaviour of members or employees in any way they like. Private schools are the same way. Public schools are not.
But public schools do have the authority to suspend or expel those who cause a ruckus. If they do something outside of school that causes a reaction inside of school that is going to fall under their jurisdiction.

I'm not saying I agree with this particular issue, but seriously... if some kid was caught beating folks with a baseball bat on Saturday I don't want him in school on Monday. What happens outside can and does effect what happens inside.
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Old 06-21-2010, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Northeast Ohio
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But public schools do have the authority to suspend or expel those who cause a ruckus. If they do something outside of school that causes a reaction inside of school that is going to fall under their jurisdiction.

I'm not saying I agree with this particular issue, but seriously... if some kid was caught beating folks with a baseball bat on Saturday I don't want him in school on Monday. What happens outside can and does effect what happens inside.
Then that kid should be dealt with by law enforcement and probably won't be back in school on Monday.
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Old 06-21-2010, 10:20 PM
 
Location: California
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Then that kid should be dealt with by law enforcement and probably won't be back in school on Monday.
As is or will be cyber/text bullying , which I think is the whole point.
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Old 06-22-2010, 01:30 AM
 
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So, I'm waiting - how would YOU keep cell phones out of schools?
Do what most responsible schools do.

Ban them outright. A child caught with a cel phone in hand, gets detention and the phone confiscated and turned over the parents. 2nd time it happens, the phone is confiscated and the student is suspended. 3rd time, the phone is confiscated and results in expulsion.


Its not hard to keep tabs on a cel phone. Heck, that's what school lost and found is for (and there are far more items in lost and found than cel phones).

The school my niece goes to outright bans any electronic device that is used to communicate and that includes cel phones, im messanging units, ipad, ipods, nintendo ds, sony psp, and so forth. A student caught with these banned items are issued punishement in the form of detention and school service (help the janitor after work, work in the cafeteria during lunch, stay after school to clean the classrooms etc).

Its not difficult to do; the school just has to put its foot down and levy out punishments.
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Old 06-22-2010, 07:18 AM
 
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Do what most responsible schools do.

Ban them outright. A child caught with a cel phone in hand, gets detention and the phone confiscated and turned over the parents. 2nd time it happens, the phone is confiscated and the student is suspended. 3rd time, the phone is confiscated and results in expulsion.


Its not hard to keep tabs on a cel phone. Heck, that's what school lost and found is for (and there are far more items in lost and found than cel phones).

The school my niece goes to outright bans any electronic device that is used to communicate and that includes cel phones, im messanging units, ipad, ipods, nintendo ds, sony psp, and so forth. A student caught with these banned items are issued punishement in the form of detention and school service (help the janitor after work, work in the cafeteria during lunch, stay after school to clean the classrooms etc).

Its not difficult to do; the school just has to put its foot down and levy out punishments.
I'm glad this policy works somewhere in the US; it would not work in Miami-Dade. Too many students (2000+ per high school); too many parents who would not support the policy.
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Old 06-22-2010, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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JEEZ! Am I ever glad I am not a student in any of the schools KevK and several others would set up. Those are not high schools they are would be Boot Camps (yeah, I went to one and hated every second) or prisons. No cell phone use during class I can understand, but no cell phones at all? What in Hell do you folks think cell phones are for? Cell phones are for communicating and they and their users do that a lot.

As far as distributing sex text or images that is the kids business. The kids should be taught, preferably by their parents, that any information that is put on a phone might as well be put on a bulletin board so be careful what you send around. IMHO it is the schools job to instruct kids in reading, writing and arithmetic (and all things considered, how to have safe sex included because most parents remain willfully ignorant about the kids sex life and never mention sex), and not on the sensibility of sending sexy images. I can imagine a picture on a bulletin board or cell phone of some kid’s sex organs and a bunch of kids standing around saying, “Yeah, I know who that is.”

I do remember that the schools tried, not very effectively, to control our behavior from the time we got on the bus (there were any number of altercations at the bus stop) to the time we got off the bus. After that what we did was between us kids with as little parental knowledge as possible. If my parents knew what I was involved with (a really cute brown haired girl two years older than I) I would have gotten even more beatings. (The beating stopped when I was in 9th grade because I had grown big enough to take my stepfather apart and he knew it.) The less they knew the better life was for me and my friends. Not much has changed since then.
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