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View Poll Results: Should the Federal Government "Bail Out" broke State and Local Governments?
Yes, we cant afford to see so many police, fire and teachers cut 1 4.35%
Yes, not doing so will create a double dip recession 1 4.35%
ABSOLUTELY NOT! 20 86.96%
I just don't know 1 4.35%
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Old 06-21-2010, 08:12 AM
 
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There has been many interesting articles about just how broke State and Local Governments are today. Some States like California only have about half as much money as they need and are looking for a huge bailout by the feds. Their argument is the county will dip back in a recession if the local and state governments have to cut services and lay off thousands of teachers, cops and other government workers who supply front line services to the public. The critics say this is a perfect time for government to do more with less and become more efficient. If the federal government gives the local and state government money to bail them out no changes that will make them more efficient will happen and in 2011 the local governments will ask for another bail out and 2012 another.

Here is the interesting article about this situation:

washingtonpost.com

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Old 06-21-2010, 08:14 AM
 
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I say "do more with less."

Businesses do it. Government should do it too.

I'm sick and tired of the "Teachers, Police, and Firefighters" argument. I appreciate their services, but they're no more special than the rest of us. Democrats fail wholly and completely by dragging these people out in front of the camera with their crocodile tears. I'm done with that facade.
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Old 06-21-2010, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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There has been many interesting articles about just how broke State and Local Governments are today. Some States like California only have about half as much money as they need and are looking for a huge bailout by the feds. Their argument is the county will dip back in a recession if the local and state governments have to cut services and lay off thousands of teachers, cops and other government workers who supply front line services to the public. The critics say this is a perfect time for government to do more with less and become more efficient. If the federal government gives the local and state government money to bail them out no changes that will make them more efficient will happen and in 2011 the local governments will ask for another bail out and 2012 another.

Here is the interesting article about this situation:

washingtonpost.com

What do you think?
Let them feel the pain of too much spending, it's the only real tough love that will make them learn what government should and should not be doing will all our tax money.
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Old 06-21-2010, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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If the feds want to "help" state governments, stop giving them unfunded mandates. The rest is up to the state and their voters to live within their means.

Just like an apartment dweller or a person who has a house they can afford doesn't want to bail out Foreclosure Freddie for buying a house he can't afford, states who live within their means don't want to bailout the ones who spend more than they take in.
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Old 06-21-2010, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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If the feds want to "help" state governments, stop giving them unfunded mandates. The rest is up to the state and their voters to live within their means.
...and the people in those states need to stop electing people to the US congress and senate who pass those unfunded mandates.
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Old 06-21-2010, 08:29 AM
 
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The local and state governments say the gap between revenue and fixed costs is just to high for budget cuts and new taxes. A bailout by the federal government is the only realistic alternative. They can not cut half of their budget in a single year. It would be chaos. Do you want schools to have 50 students in a typical classroom in an time we are facing academic pressures from Asia? Or half as many police or fireman on the street or a closing of most State Parks and Libraries.
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Old 06-21-2010, 08:31 AM
 
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If the federal government begins to bail out the states, you may as while just breakup the states and abolish them..
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Old 06-21-2010, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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Time for states to learn to live within their means. If that means renegotiating contracts for state employees, so be it. The rest of us have had to suffer the effects of this recession with job losses, cuts in pay and benefits, cuts in hours... it's high time for state employees to do the same. States also need to be evaluating the cost-benefit of their programs and services. Cuts NEED to be made and we need to return to fiscal responsibility ASAP. The Federal Government needs to but its ugly nose out of state business and STOP with the unfunded mandates (i.e., medicaid expansion under the new health care reform law).

No way should the government bail out any state. Why punish the rest of us to reward the fiscally irresponsible (and this is coming from an Illinois resident whose state is right behind California).
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Old 06-21-2010, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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The local and state governments say the gap between revenue and fixed costs is just to high for budget cuts and new taxes. A bailout by the federal government is the only realistic alternative. They can not cut half of their budget in a single year. It would be chaos. Do you want schools to have 50 students in a typical classroom in an time we are facing academic pressures from Asia? Or half as many police or fireman on the street or a closing of most State Parks and Libraries.
No costs are "fixed". Those costs need to be renegotiated. Why are teachers, police, and firemen immune from cuts to pay and benefits? Oh, that's right... unions. Do away with the unions and level the playing field. If states cannot afford the generous state employee union benefits then it's time to cut them.
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Old 06-21-2010, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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whatyousay put it very well. Government employees need to stop being treated like spoiled children and face some of the same financial issues private employees are facing. We spend more on education than any country in the world but see poor resluts. Private employees that have faced layoffs and pay cuts for years can't keep funding an out of control state and local work force. In addition, residents of states that have made cuts and live within their means should not be penalized to support those with out of control spending.
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