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Old 06-24-2010, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I wonder if the Obama people really do believe that this equation will work out. In 2007 Obama spoke out very much against the appointment of Petraeus to do his Surge in Iraq and promised it wouldn't work but now look what he has done. Is Petraeus the only General who can carry off this victory in an unwinnable war? Does Obama really believe that 3 years later and a victory with the Bush generated Surge in Iraq it will work in Afghanistan? My golly gee, he really thinks that another Bush program is worth copying.

http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel...nwinnable-war/
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Old 06-24-2010, 10:47 AM
 
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Roy, do yourself a favor and try to hide your glee a little. There are thousands of young men and women in the armed forces who deserve better than you trying to make this into a Bush vs. Obama thing. Frankly, whatever will get them home faster and safer is what I will support. Personally - and this is just me - I would have dropped a bomb on Afghanistan on the morning of 9/12/2001.
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Old 06-24-2010, 10:48 AM
 
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I wonder if the Obama people really do believe that this equation will work out. In 2007 Obama spoke out very much against the appointment of Petraeus to do his Surge in Iraq and promised it wouldn't work but now look what he has done. Is Petraeus the only General who can carry off this victory in an unwinnable war? Does Obama really believe that 3 years later and a victory with the Bush generated Surge in Iraq it will work in Afghanistan? My golly gee, he really thinks that another Bush program is worth copying.

In Obama’s skin-deep understanding of policy, 30k troops + Petraeus = Automatic Victory in Unwinnable War | RedState
How do you, or the Red State guy, know what he believes?
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Old 06-24-2010, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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ROB - I see you are beginning to realize the war in Afghanistan is not winnable no matter how much we spend and who we put in charge.

I believe the war in Afghanistan is actually winnable. We could use the same method Julius Caesar used against the Franks in the first century BC. That is, to more or less quote the losing Frankish leader, "You have created a silence and called it victory." I do not recall what Caesar said before he executed the Frank. The Romans controlled Frank land for a very long time thereafter.

We can create the silence by killing as many of the Afghani males as we can find. But I do not want us to because that would blight our country forever. We are not Romans, our armies are not the Legions and we do not commit genocide.
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Old 06-24-2010, 10:53 AM
 
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I wonder if the Obama people really do believe that this equation will work out. In 2007 Obama spoke out very much against the appointment of Petraeus to do his Surge in Iraq and promised it wouldn't work but now look what he has done. Is Petraeus the only General who can carry off this victory in an unwinnable war? Does Obama really believe that 3 years later and a victory with the Bush generated Surge in Iraq it will work in Afghanistan? My golly gee, he really thinks that another Bush program is worth copying.

In Obama’s skin-deep understanding of policy, 30k troops + Petraeus = Automatic Victory in Unwinnable War | RedState
I have to correct you. Obama never speaks of victory. He only speaks of "success", whatever that means.
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Old 06-24-2010, 11:03 AM
 
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Obama seeme to be at odds with what he and his secretray of state said on the surge in Uiraq when it came up an during it. That alos was a much easier nut to crack as the saying goes.It makes one wander whichrethoric with Obama.Too many peopleslives at risk for someone to play with for their own politcal gain.
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Old 06-24-2010, 11:05 AM
 
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US = Hubris Nemesis = Afghanistan
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Old 06-24-2010, 11:06 AM
 
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It is interesting that Obama's arch enemy during the Bush years is now his hero. Makes you wonder about the stability of this President. Is he a "changer" or a mentally disillusioned "dreamer?"
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Old 06-24-2010, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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I believe the war in Afghanistan is actually winnable.
I think it's just about as "winnable" as Vietnam was.
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Old 06-24-2010, 11:09 AM
 
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Just FYI, there are currently level of ISFA forces in Afghanistan 140,000 which will grow to 150,000 in August.

Now carry on.
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