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According to the 2001 UK Census 146,401 Jamaican-born people were living in the UK, making them the seventh-largest foreign-born group in the UK at the time.[10] The equivalent figure for 2008 has been estimated at 150,000 by the Office for National Statistics, making them the ninth-largest foreign-born group(that commits the second most crime).
The Poles outnumber the Jamaicans about 3.3 to 1. Which means Poles commit about 1 crime for every 2.5 crimes a Jamaican commits.
There are only about 45,000 Somali's in the UK, which means Somali's are almost twice as likely to commit crimes as even the Jamaicans. Which means Somali's are about 5 times more likely to commit a crime than the Polish in the UK. Which is roughly the gap between black and white crime in America.
So please, stop spouting nonsense you just made up on the spot.
More repudiation of your point. These are population stats from the City of LONDON. You stats were from the UK...when the crime table based upon nationality was from the city of London.
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The data below is based on the place of birth, regardless of ethnicity, given by Londoners in the 2001 Census, and therefore does not include immigrants post-2001 (or British born people claiming ethnic or national origin in these countries).
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Thus...based upon 120,000 Jamaicans in London compared to 80,000 Polish and the crime rates posted in the original table I provided....the crime rate per 100,000 Jamaicans is apx. 2200 and the crime rate per 100,000 Polish in London is apx 1950. Therefore, there is not really that much difference between the propensity for criminality of JA immigrants and Polish immigrants.
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We know in the U.S that Blacks are 12% of the pop. but responcible for over half the violent crime (astounding - how much does the White majority actually commit?) We can blame slavery, racism, blah blah for Blacks committing the majority of murder and such but in the U.K who is to blame?
So whats your point,
that guns should be made illegal?
Thus...based upon 120,000 Jamaicans in London compared to 80,000 Polish and the crime rates posted in the original table I provided....the crime rate per 100,000 Jamaicans is apx. 2200 and the crime rate per 100,000 Polish in London is apx 1950. Therefore, there is not really that much difference between the propensity for criminality of JA immigrants and Polish immigrants.
Can you not read your own statistics? Your statistics read 120k polish and only 80k Jamaicans. That means if the Poles and Jamaicans were of the same population, then the Jamaicans would commit 2,575(1750 x 1.5) crimes compared to the poles 2,310 crimes(Poles would commit less).
But more importantly by your statistics, Jamaicans would only be about half the population of the Irish, so if you recalculate for population, then Jamaicans would commit roughly 3,400 crimes compared to the Irish commiting only 1,390 crimes.
And the Poles outnumber the Somali's almost 4 to 1. So if you rebalanced for population then Somali's would commit about 4,400 crimes compared to the Polish only commiting 2,310.
So lets recap, based on population in your statistics, we can conclude that.
1 in 30 Somali's commited a crime in London.
1 in 48 Jamaicans commited a crime in London.
1 in 52 Polish commited a crime in London.
1 in 111 Irish commited a crime in London.
The wikipedia numbers were from 2001, so the entire thing is probably ridiculously off. But, according to the BBC in 2008.
"The Government admits to 204,000 Poles working here but that does not include those who have set up as self-employed or are employed in the black economy and are paid in cash."
And according to this BBC article, about 60% of all immigrants to the UK from 2004 to 2006 were Polish. And that doesn't include all of them, because many Poles are self-employed. So the numbers could actually be far higher. While the Jamaican population seems to have remained basically the same since 2001(and they are easier to track since they aren't EU members so they can't just freely travel to the UK).
But lets say you just recalculated for a conservative 204k poles in London. Then the new statistics would mean that only...
1 in 88 poles commited a crime in London. Compared to 1 in 48 Jamaicans.
Which means, at the bare minimum, Jamaicans commit crime at almost two times the rate of Poles. But I would personally guess its probably closer to 2.5 or 3 to 1.
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Can you not read your own statistics? Your statistics read 120k polish and only 80k Jamaicans. That means if the Poles and Jamaicans were of the same population, then the Jamaicans would commit 2,575(1750 x 1.5) crimes compared to the poles 2,310 crimes(Poles would commit less).
But more importantly by your statistics, Jamaicans would only be about half the population of the Irish, so if you recalculate for population, then Jamaicans would commit roughly 3,400 crimes compared to the Irish commiting only 1,390 crimes.
And the Poles outnumber the Somali's almost 4 to 1. So if you rebalanced for population then Somali's would commit about 4,400 crimes compared to the Polish only commiting 2,310.
So lets recap, based on population in your statistics, we can conclude that.
1 in 30 Somali's commited a crime in London.
1 in 48 Jamaicans commited a crime in London.
1 in 52 Polish commited a crime in London.
1 in 111 Irish commited a crime in London.
The wikipedia numbers were from 2001, so the entire thing is probably ridiculously off. But, according to the BBC in 2008.
"The Government admits to 204,000 Poles working here but that does not include those who have set up as self-employed or are employed in the black economy and are paid in cash."
And according to this BBC article, about 60% of all immigrants to the UK from 2004 to 2006 were Polish. And that doesn't include all of them, because many Poles are self-employed. So the numbers could actually be far higher. While the Jamaican population seems to have remained basically the same since 2001(and they are easier to track since they aren't EU members so they can't just freely travel to the UK).
But lets say you just recalculated for a conservative 204k poles in London. Then the new statistics would mean that only...
1 in 88 poles commited a crime in London. Compared to 1 in 48 Jamaicans.
Which means, at the bare minimum, Jamaicans commit crime at almost two times the rate of Poles. But I would personally guess its probably closer to 2.5 or 3 to 1.
My calcuations are accurate when normalized for a population of 100,000 (per capita). That is how crime is generaly measured in the US...on a per capita bases of 100,000 people. I simply wrote, in my conclusion, the wrong populations for JA and Polish...but the rates were accurate.
However, Jamaicans are a historically enslaved and oppressed people, just like African Americans, Afro-Brazilians and the like. Somilians are from a war torn country that has devolved into a culture of violence.
If you look at the Homicide rate in Russia.....who are committing those murders? Its certainly not black people. Eastern European nations have more criminality and violence than Western European nations. Is there some geographic anomoly that impacts the genetics of the people of Eastern Europe that makes them commit more crimes....or.....is it simply that they are coming from poorer more oppressed histories than Western Europeans? The same reason that there exist a big difference between the criminality of Eastern and Western European white peoples, is the same reason there exist a difference between the criminality of blacks and whites, in general.
That having been said...you don't have the numbers of Ghanains, Kenyans, Camaroonians and other African immigrant groups to the UK. One can learn alot by asking why the rate of crime for these blacks is generally much less than it is for blacks who are descendants of slaves in the West.
However, Jamaicans are a historically enslaved and oppressed people, just like African Americans, Afro-Brazilians and the like. Somilians are from a war torn country that has devolved into a culture of violence.
That having been said...you don't have the numbers of Ghanains, Kenyans, Camaroonians and other African immigrant groups to the UK. One can learn alot by asking why the rate of crime for these blacks is generally much less than it is for blacks who are descendants of slaves in the West.
Ok, let's take your word for it for a moment. Can we bar Somalis and Jamaicans from Europe as a preventative measure against inevitable crime?
Well...then maybe the E.U is a problem. Given the problems with many E.U economies and the issue of currency. I am not sure the E.U will be viable for too much longer.
Anywho....the European nations have zero or below zero population growth. For whatever reason, white people of the world are not reproducing at rates that can sustain their populations into the future. This means that they will not have people to support all those people who retired and use entitlement programs that depend on having enough workers to support all those who are not working. Well...if you are not having kiids...soon there will be more old people than working age people and the whole system falls apart. Morever, it would mean a shortage of workers for the E.U economies....thus, the EU NEEDS immigration from non-white groups to sustain itself into the future. The vast majority of people coming from JA or Somalia are descent hard working folks. Just like in the inner-cities of America...its like 1% of the people causing 80% of the violent crimes. Trying to ban all JA and Somalians is like trying to kill a nat with a sledge hammer, to borrow a popular phrasology.
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