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Old 06-28-2010, 12:30 PM
 
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Two problems...
1- When ownership is allowed, there is nothing illegal about owning a gun
2- Gun advocates generally do not like "accounting"... hence accountability. No registration is preferred mode.
Actually, the opposition to registration has everything to do with the confiscation of firearms from law abiding citizens that has historically occurred in every country that has placed such practices into place.

When the federal government proves that they "account" for all the taxpayer money funneled into the Federal Reserve and redistributed without being accounted for we can discuss "accountability". Until that time .
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Old 06-28-2010, 12:30 PM
 
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Interesting...
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Old 06-28-2010, 12:34 PM
 
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Not really.
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Old 06-28-2010, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Actually, the opposition to registration has everything to do with the confiscation of firearms from law abiding citizens that has historically occurred in every country that has placed such practices into place.
That was my point. How do you make anything illegal?
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Old 06-28-2010, 12:51 PM
 
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Not really.
I find it interesting that it says the murder rate in Chicago had markedly fallen for two decades, but from 2007 it started to rise again. Those fluctuations tell me that homicide and other violent crime has little to do with gun laws which have not changed much there during the ups and downs of the murder rate. Society is so much more complex...
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Old 06-28-2010, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Arizona, The American Southwest
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Will crime be reduced now that the gun ban is overturned
As Waianaegirl, and other posters have implied, banning guns will not stop gang-bangers from getting them, in fact if guns were to be banned completely, this will only create a large black market for firearms, and only criminals will have them. With this ruling, crime will be reduced, since many criminals will think twice before invading somebody's home.

The Anti-gun crowds just can't seem to realize that the problem is not guns, it's criminals and the direction our society has been going in the last few decades. Parents bringing kids into the world and not raising them with the moral values that are taught in the Bible, and kids being influenced a lot more by the lack of such values in schools, many such kids are going to grow up thinking that it's okay to be part of gangs, and criminal behavior is okay.

Also, humans has been killing each other ever since the beginning of time, long before the invention of guns.
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Old 06-28-2010, 12:55 PM
 
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I find it interesting that it says the murder rate in Chicago had markedly fallen for two decades, but from 2007 it started to rise again. Those fluctuations tell me that homicide and other violent crime has little to do with gun laws which have not changed much there during the ups and downs of the murder rate. Society is so much more complex...
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A study last year by economist Carl Moody of William & Mary College found that after the ban was imposed, city crime rates rose significantly, almost immediately. The city is more dangerous now than it was before the ban, the study concluded, relative to the 24 largest American cities
Supreme Court to address limits of gun control - CNN.com
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Old 06-28-2010, 12:57 PM
 
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As Waianaegirl, and other posters have implied, banning guns will not stop gang-bangers from getting them, in fact if guns were to be banned completely, this will only create a large black market for firearms, and only criminals will have them. With this ruling, crime will be reduced, since many criminals will think twice before invading somebody's home.

The Anti-gun crowds just can't seem to realize that the problem is not guns, it's criminals and the direction our society has been going in the last few decades. Parents bringing kids into the world and not raising them with the moral values that are taught in the Bible, and kids being influenced a lot more by the lack of such values in schools, many such kids are going to grow up thinking that it's okay to be part of gangs, and criminal behavior is okay.

Also, humans has been killing each other ever since the beginning of time, long before the invention of guns.
Oh please, leave the Bible out of the equation There are largely agnostic or atheist countries that have way lower violent crime than the US.
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Old 06-28-2010, 12:58 PM
 
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I find it interesting that it says the murder rate in Chicago had markedly fallen for two decades, but from 2007 it started to rise again. Those fluctuations tell me that homicide and other violent crime has little to do with gun laws which have not changed much there during the ups and downs of the murder rate. Society is so much more complex...
It is unadvisable to take a single study as the gospel truth. Understand that "murder rate" is substantially different than "violent crime rate" or even "death rate".

Murder requires that someone die and that that death be ruled as murder by a court. The ability of the emergency medical community to save the lives of vicims of serious gunshot wounds has increased dramatically as a result of advances made in care on the battlefield. The failure to prosecute murder and allow plea bargains down to manslaughter also affect so called "murder rates".

In summary "murder rate" is a misleading statistic.
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Old 06-28-2010, 01:01 PM
 
Location: California
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Another piece of jealous Eurotrash speaks on an AMERICAN forum.

Amazing how these 2nd world citizens dare to speak about the United States.
Equally amazing is how all those Western European countries (and canada as well) have miniscule homicide rates compared to the "great" United States.

I wish We here in our country would get rid of our "we are such bad asses" and toughguy mentality.

We can learn alot from the European nations
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