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Old 07-04-2010, 08:36 AM
 
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Granted, my dissertation concerns an area of study focused on engineering and computer science rather than a liberal arts graduate degree, but the citation is not used to discredit socialism in her thesis. Rather it appears to lament the demise of socialist "radicalism". It's little wonder why political science, psychology, and other touchy feely graduate programs are looked down upon by those who study REAL subjects.
It looks like she used a typewriter for that. Why didn't she use WordPerfect, which was available at that time?
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Old 07-04-2010, 08:52 AM
 
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I think I quoted the Bible in the a 10th grade writing assignment, but that doesn't make me a Christian fundamentalist. Actually it probably made me naive.

You people bitching about this probably, one never wrote a thesis, and/or don't know what a thesis is.
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Old 07-04-2010, 08:53 AM
 
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it looks like she used a typewriter for that. Why didn't she use wordperfect, which was available at that time?
haha!
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Old 07-04-2010, 10:00 AM
 
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You keep saying it but that does not make it correct.

The policy was in place when she got the job.
Military recruiting took place on campus while she was there.


Another wrong ruling by the current radical court.

I grew up in a republican family. But that was then. The party is not anything like it was back then.

The racist was based on your comments, everybodys one for their views but you. your the one that focuses on it first and foremost.

I can see that you, like most liberals, are opposed to the Constitution. When one embraces tyranny, it is acceptable that you would ignore the Constitution and presume to be more enlightened than the founding fathers. This is a huge problem with liberals and is certainly reflected in the misgudied principles of your messiah- Obama.

"Racist"? I love it. Again, try "Poopy Head", or something equally as puerile (hey, there is a good snobby word for you!). "Racist" has no meaning any longer as liberals have highjacked a once powerful word to now mean "anyone who does not agree with liberal insanity". Perhaps you should study the origins of PC and liberalism. Being "enlightened", I am sure that you have not read the origins of your relgion lie in Stalinism and The Frankfurt School- houses of tyranny and subjugation. It is no wonder that you hold disdain for the Constitution.

I have black and Asian relatives. I went to high school in a school that was half black. I sold dope for a Mexican gang while in high school. I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth, like you, therefore I do not suffer from the insanity of liberalism. I further do not fear or hate blacks, as most liberals do, as they view them as children to be coddled and not equals. I can tell you that most blacks I knew in school as a kid were alot better than the white trash, as they mostly had some religious indoctrination. I find it hilarious that spoiled limosine liberals like yourself who have no concept of reality outside of Manhatten presume to know more about the world and other people. It is the provincial eltist arrogance and snobbery that makes liberals appear not superior, but ridiculous.
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Old 07-04-2010, 10:01 AM
 
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The question is, is she just describing radicalism, or advocating it. No one here has addressed that question--that's why this thread is an epic fail.
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Old 07-04-2010, 10:32 AM
 
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Legally speaking, we are a god-less, soul-less government. I mean that's the point of America. A nation free from the depsotic rule on monarchy/aristocracy as well as the proverbial church.

I mean should Obama have picked Pat Robertson for the job? Would that make you happy. I bet if he did, you'd still be pissed at it-b/c it's Obama.
You can always be counted on to inject nonsense ... unfailingly consistent are you at that.

But you are right ... we do have a God-less, Soul-less government ... trouble is ... you think that is a GOOD THING. Take a close look around you .. LIKE WHAT YOU SEE?

I understand the argument you are trying to make ... the constitutional prohibition of establishing a national religion ... it's an old one ... and it's been bastardized, and is as much a fraud today as it has always been. So I suppose the 4th of July is an appropriate date for a little education about America, it's creation, and it's values for some of you history challenged, intellectually deficient, brainwashed brethren.

The first claim that the founding fathers where not religious .. (God-less) is demonstrably untrue as I shall illustrate in a moment. That they undertook great effort to remove God from our founding documents because of their (God-Less) nature and beliefs is also untrue. What they DID DO is attempt to ensure that the Federal government would not interfere in the freedom to exercise one's chosen religion by adopting a "national" religion as this would most certainly lead to prejudice and the infringement of that freedom as was their experience with the British monarchy.

The federalist papers ... the declaration of independence .. and a plethora of writings by the drafters of the constitution makes their observance of God indisputable.

Therefore, it is quite clear that their disposition regarding religion, and the protection of the free expression thereof was the driving force behind their philosophy ... and WAS NEVER their intent that the Government be free of God, or behave in a manner that could be construed as anti-God (God-Less) as you and many others try so desperately to prove.

The Declaration of Independence (which is the true, unmistakable "founding document) reads in part:

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed ..


This was drafted by Thomas Jefferson and makes clear reference to God and Creator ... and the inalienable rights granted mankind by that Creator (I see no mention of evolution, or Darwinistic nonsense here). Furthermore, the specific references to men and mankind and human events is also an indirect reference to the existence of something else ... something greater .. something supra-human .... God.

George Washington (an Episcopal Vestryman) in his fair well address to the nation included such statements as: "Religion and morality" are the "great Pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and citizens." And that: "National morality, could not exist in exclusion of religious principle.". George Washington's beliefs that God was the source of morality and a just government could not exist without both was common understanding in those days ... it has been the efforts of the "God-Less" to obfuscate this fact.

Furthermore, Washington's Prayer as it is called was a letter signed by Washington which in the last paragraph he asks God to: "dispose us all, to do Justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that Charity, humility and pacific temper of mind, which were the Characteristicks of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, and without an humble imitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation."

John Adams on Religion
John Adams, a self-confessed "church going animal," grew up in the Congregational Church in Massachusetts. In one of his letters, Adams tells Thomas Jefferson that "Without Religion this World would be Something not fit to be mentioned in polite Company, I mean Hell."

There is so much more if one were predisposed to learn our history, and understand the guiding principles which were embraced by the founding fathers ... an educated, marginally intelligent individual could not possibly hold the opinion that they intended the United States of America to be "God-Less" .. quite to the contrary ... these men believed, and openly stated that this nation could not survive or achieve lasting happiness without God, and the morality which is instilled by such religious beliefs.

That we have BECOME a God-Less country, run amuck by a God-less government has allowed the conditions to deteriorate to the degree it has reached today ... and the delusions of some people, manipulated and led by their noses by the God-less in government has given birth to the nonsensical belief that Godlessness is some type of virtue. Such beliefs have their foundation in pure ignorance ... not truth.

The PRIMARY cause, and the ultimate FOUNDATION of this nation rests entirely on the principle of Inalienable rights granted by our Creator

Here is the "Troll" when asked what her personal beliefs are regarding the existence of "inalienable rights":


YouTube - On 2nd Amendment, Kagan Won't Say Whether She Believes in Natural Rights

DISQUALIFIED ... 100% DISQUALIFICATION for refusing to even entertain the question honestly.

Look folks ... put a top hat on her ... stick a long cigarette holder in her mouth and she would be the arch enemy of Batman.

Without these props ... she's simply the arch enemy of the American people and the constitution of the United States of America.
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Old 07-04-2010, 10:47 AM
 
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You can always be counted on to inject nonsense ... unfailingly consistent are you at that.
You and Glenn Beck must be lovers or something. I don't care what words were used by Geo Wash, that the DoI has the words Nature's God in it. Our founders were Deists, not fully fledged Christians.

We have a legal separation of Church and state to protect the state from religious fantaics [see:you] and to protect the porverbially church from the egotistical politicians [see: Henry VIII].

It is a safeguard AGAINST TYRANNY. That is the point. It truly is that simple. I am Christian, I love Jesus and God, but I also love knowing that my rights as an American are protected against the state and against religious zealots who force their beliefs onto everyone and then hide behind the Cross.

Our rights are only protected by the government, not by God. They are eternal. They are beyond humanity. Again, they say creator, not God. They were deists.

My problem with people like you is that you think that because they wrote these words and letters that this was their intentions for our government, when in fact it was their personal convictions. If they truly wanted us to be a Christian nation, they would have said as much in the Constitution-which of course, if you've read it recently, they hadn't.

Religious zealots, like yourself are a disgrace to the principles we are celebrating today. This is a wonderful nation because we are protected from religious tyranny and the troubles seen on Europe across the centuries.

That sir is the truth. Quote personal letters all you want. They made their intentions perfectly clear when they wrote the Constitution. The public- civil good and personal beliefs are separate things.

This is all I will say on the separation of Church and state. It is law, it is fact, it is a pilar of our Americaness. If you hate it, if you believe otherwise, than by all means, get out.
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Old 07-04-2010, 12:02 PM
 
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You and Glenn Beck must be lovers or something. I don't care what words were used by Geo Wash, that the DoI has the words Nature's God in it. Our founders were Deists, not fully fledged Christians.
There you go again with the nonsense. And stop using terms you don't understand .. it makes you sound even less intelligent .. and you don't need such assistance.

Someone told you the founding fathers were "deists", but you don't understand the definition, so you can't recognize the falseness of the claim.

A deist believes in a Creator (God), but one that doesn't interfere in the activities of the universe or humans. That's what a deist believes ... so even if your claim was correct (which it isn't) they would still not be "God-less".

Now when those founders state that we are granted inalienable rights by our creator, that seems to suggest a bit of interference .. otherwise such a God would not bother to grant anything ... including inalienable rights.

Now you can say you don't care what George Washington says or what the Declaration if Independence says ... but all you are insinuating is that YOUR OPINION is correct in spite of what the founders own words were. Do you know the definition of "denial"? Do you think you can just make a claim and by doing so, it automatically becomes the truth?

I get it ... you don't care if the Sun is beating you in the face ... you're going to believe it is nighttime and that is FINAL!


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We have a legal separation of Church and state to protect the state from religious fantaics [see:you] and to protect the porverbially church from the egotistical politicians [see: Henry VIII].
Nothing about the constitution is geared toward "protecting the State" from anything. The constitution is about protecting the people from the federal government, including the infringement of free exercise of religion ... i.e. religious tyranny.

The 1st Amendment guarantees the free expression of religion, it doesn't ban it!!! Consequently, the idiots who believe that this protection includes the federal government's obligation to police every corner of the country, removing any reference to God or Religion wherever it might be found is so backasswards, it defies common sense. This is a smokescreen created by the Godless, and accepted by the ignorant.



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It is a safeguard AGAINST TYRANNY. That is the point. It truly is that simple. I am Christian, I love Jesus and God, but I also love knowing that my rights as an American are protected against the state and against religious zealots who force their beliefs onto everyone and then hide behind the Cross.
You CLAIM to be a Christian ... fine. You need not explain to me ... you can explain your attraction to Godlessness to God. I doubt he could make much more sense out of it than I can, however.

The constitution, and the Bill of Rights protects the individual's rights from all forms of tyranny, be it religious or godless in nature. And I would contend that in the absence of the acceptance of the fundamental principle of "God Given Rights" or "Natural Rights" all that is left is Government granted privileges ... which are not inalienable .. but revokable and form the foundation for government tyranny for which you seem to believe Godlessness is some form of protection.


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Our rights are only protected by the government, not by God. They are eternal. They are beyond humanity. Again, they say creator, not God. They were deists.
Then you are screwed. My rights are granted and protected by God, and the founding fathers had such a distrust of "government" that the very reason for the constitution was to protect the people FROM government, which is why the Constitution is a document that lists the finite powers of that Government, reserving all other powers not granted to that government to the people.

This is PRECISELY why there is the statement "Inalienable rights granted by the creator" .. and not granted by the government.

Now you can mince words all you want ... and try to draw some imaginary distinction between "Creator" and "God", but you're spinning your wheels. Creator and God are synonymous terms, not mutually exclusive.

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My problem with people like you is that you think that because they wrote these words and letters that this was their intentions for our government, when in fact it was their personal convictions. If they truly wanted us to be a Christian nation, they would have said as much in the Constitution-which of course, if you've read it recently, they hadn't.
Pal, I am the least of your problems. But I never made mention of a "Christian Nation" ... YOU made mention of Godless and Soulless one, alluding to the necessity and virtue of such.

And I think it is a testament to ignorance that you would claim that all of the founding fathers believed the EXACT same thing about much of anything, let alone God and Religion. It was precisely the differing opinions and beliefs regarding religious exercise that strived to protect that freedom of expression by not adopting a "National Religion". Just as Catholics and Baptists and the many other sects within the "Christian" religion don't agree and view themselves as different, THAT WAS the reason for such careful handling of the subject .... because this Constitution was to Unite, not divide, and needed universal acceptance from all parties to be formed in the first place. So assurances were made as to not nationally adopt ONE, thereby placing it superior to the rest.

George Washington was a Vestryman in the Protestant Episcopal Church .. that is a CHRISTIAN ... not a DEIST ... but don't let little details like FACTS change your opinion.


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Religious zealots, like yourself are a disgrace to the principles we are celebrating today. This is a wonderful nation because we are protected from religious tyranny and the troubles seen on Europe across the centuries.
Far from a Religious zealot ... I'm not a fan of organized religion, as I find most just as corrupt and self serving as government is ... only more contemptible because they do so using God as their vehicle rather than a gun.

I do believe in the Ten Commandments though .. and I find it particularly disgusting to see idiots support the removal of such from a Courthouse Square (Public Property) under the guise of religious freedom.

And I find those that are so foolish to believe in such idiocy the true disgrace. Such is a disgrace to our founders, and all that came after them who sacrificed so much so that people like you could have the Freedom that you seem incapable of even defining accurately.


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That sir is the truth. Quote personal letters all you want. They made their intentions perfectly clear when they wrote the Constitution. The public- civil good and personal beliefs are separate things.

This is all I will say on the separation of Church and state. It is law, it is fact, it is a pilar of our Americaness. If you hate it, if you believe otherwise, than by all means, get out.
Kiss the ring of your Muslim Messiah if you think that makes you a good Christian ... you might as well ... you have everything else backwards.

And I'm not going anywhere! I choose to confront stupidity, not run from it ... because as I see it, there really is no place to escape it today.
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Old 07-04-2010, 12:54 PM
 
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How dare you question my faith and and my Chrisitianty. Who are you are you to judge my intentions, my beliefs and what I believe to true about the founding of this nation?

Who are you to judge another human being? Who died and made you Christ? You are the exact kind of person John Adams and James Madison had in mind when they knew we needed a safeguard against religious fanaticism. They wanted a nation of people full of education and common sense, and what did we give them?...Texas.

I love God and I love Christ, and I love America. That means that my love for God and Christ is separate from my goals and intentions for the lives of every American. We are not a theocracy. That means when I vote, when I support a law [or not], when I support an issue, I ask myself, wwjad? What would John Adams do?

Stupidity must be bred deep in the heart of Texas.

On this 4th of July, I will pray that this nation keeps its faith in its founding intentions.
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Old 07-04-2010, 01:08 PM
 
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I can see that you, like most liberals, are opposed to the Constitution. When one embraces tyranny, it is acceptable that you would ignore the Constitution and presume to be more enlightened than the founding fathers. This is a huge problem with liberals and is certainly reflected in the misgudied principles of your messiah- Obama.

"Racist"? I love it. Again, try "Poopy Head", or something equally as puerile (hey, there is a good snobby word for you!). "Racist" has no meaning any longer as liberals have highjacked a once powerful word to now mean "anyone who does not agree with liberal insanity". Perhaps you should study the origins of PC and liberalism. Being "enlightened", I am sure that you have not read the origins of your relgion lie in Stalinism and The Frankfurt School- houses of tyranny and subjugation. It is no wonder that you hold disdain for the Constitution.

I have black and Asian relatives. I went to high school in a school that was half black. I sold dope for a Mexican gang while in high school. I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth, like you, therefore I do not suffer from the insanity of liberalism. I further do not fear or hate blacks, as most liberals do, as they view them as children to be coddled and not equals. I can tell you that most blacks I knew in school as a kid were alot better than the white trash, as they mostly had some religious indoctrination. I find it hilarious that spoiled limosine liberals like yourself who have no concept of reality outside of Manhatten presume to know more about the world and other people. It is the provincial eltist arrogance and snobbery that makes liberals appear not superior, but ridiculous.
Never lived in Manhattan (but I have lived in Detroit, Salina, Stockton, San Diego, El Paso, Baden-Württemberg, Birmingham and a few others too small to mention), or had a limousine (had a AMC Matador...does that count?), and I guess I missed the silver spoon part too. I have no Messiah, of any kind (I would have voted for someone else if someone else would have been worth voting for, from any party). I don't have a disdain for the constitution, just your interpretation of it. The only ones showing arrogance and snobbery, are those who feel they are superior to others, not equal. I don't consider myself above or below any one else.

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