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Yes 47 40.17%
No, they must have their own category 61 52.14%
I dunno 9 7.69%
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Old 05-12-2011, 02:44 PM
 
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Then it depends if you would like to call anybody speaking English, an English. There is indeed a practice of calling an Arabic (native) speaker an Arab but that is for political convenience, not based on "race". By that definition the Greeks and anybody else living in Egypt and speaking Arabic would be an Arab.
I don't think your analogy fits here. I would call anyone born in England English.....but I wouldn't call anyone born in Pennsylvania an English, unless his/her parents were from England and they inculcated a sense of "Britishness" into the American-born person.

The term "Arab" is not a racial term, as Arabs exist among a large spectrum of phenotypes. It is a cultural/linguistic/ethnic term.

Are there in Egypt large communities of self-identified Greeks whose families have lived there for generations who speak Arabic as a first language? If so, you have a point.
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Old 05-12-2011, 02:46 PM
 
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Arabs are brown. That is plain as day.

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It's in the title.
You think they're are white, or they should have their own category like blacks, asian and hispanics ?
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Old 05-12-2011, 02:48 PM
 
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I don't think your analogy fits here. I would call anyone born in England English.....but I wouldn't call anyone born in Pennsylvania an English, unless his/her parents were from England and they inculcated a sense of "Britishness" into the American-born person.

The term "Arab" is not a racial term, as Arabs exist among a large spectrum of phenotypes. It is a cultural/linguistic/ethnic term.

Are there in Egypt large communities of self-identified Greeks whose families have lived there for generations who speak Arabic as a first language? If so, you have a point.
If you make it a linguistic term (as in, if Arabic is your national language, that you're an Arab), you're walking the same line you say doesn't fit here. "Arab" is a tribal term, and especially in the context being applied here, on race. An Arab born in England would be a Briton, an American in America, a Japanese in Japan, but does that change his/her racial profile?
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Old 05-12-2011, 02:49 PM
 
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Arabs are white.Agree with that ?

If you mean white, as in Euro Anglo, then no.
If you mean white, as in Caucasoid, then a good chance for yes.
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Old 05-12-2011, 02:53 PM
 
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Arabs are white.Agree with that ?

If you mean white, as in Euro Anglo, then no.
If you mean white, as in Caucasoid, then a good chance for yes.
A misconception is that Caucasian = White and vice versa. "White" is simply an additional degree of stupidity devised to further the social and political agenda.
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Old 05-12-2011, 03:01 PM
 
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The average person from Yemen has 14% Sub Saharian African admixture.
race/history/evolution notes: Autosomal African admixture in Yemeni populations

How many people here would consider someone with 14% Sub Saharian African admixture to be Caucasian ?
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Old 05-12-2011, 03:18 PM
 
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The average person from Yemen has 14% Sub Saharian African admixture.
race/history/evolution notes: Autosomal African admixture in Yemeni populations

How many people here would consider someone with 14% Sub Saharian African admixture to be Caucasian ?
Assuming you're a Caucasian, if your DNA can be traced back to one of the sub-Saharan tribes, what race would you be?
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Old 05-12-2011, 03:32 PM
 
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So to you Osama Bin Laden is just as White like the blond haired and blue eyed actor who played Thor ?
Yep. Pretty much. Different eye and hair color, but yea...both white.
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Old 05-12-2011, 07:10 PM
 
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If you make it a linguistic term (as in, if Arabic is your national language, that you're an Arab), you're walking the same line you say doesn't fit here. "Arab" is a tribal term, and especially in the context being applied here, on race.
I disagree. It's a linguistic AND cultural term. I could learn Arabic, but that would not make me an Arab. My point is that there are so many variations in appearance and LOCAL variations in culture among Arabs between the Maghreb, Egypt, Sudan, the Gulf states, Syria and Lebanon, but they all have a shared strain of language and culture in their background. Tribal or not? Dunno, as there are thousands of distinct "tribes" throughout the Arab world.

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An Arab born in England would be a Briton, an American in America, a Japanese in Japan, but does that change his/her racial profile?
You can't use that either, as the criteria to be Japanese are much, much different for those to be American. If you are born non-Japanese in Japan, no matter how long your family has been there, you cannot be Japanese. But if you are born in America, you are American no matter what racial background you have. And it is only relatively recently that an Arab born in Britain would be automatically considered a Briton.
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Old 05-12-2011, 07:17 PM
 
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Assuming you're a Caucasian, if your DNA can be traced back to one of the sub-Saharan tribes, what race would you be?
Not exactly Caucasian.
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