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Old 07-13-2010, 10:02 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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First of all, is agenda driven by his ideology is 180 degrees opposed to what America is based on, succeeded and prospered on. It is ultra-left wing, rayzist, anti-capitalism, anti-prosperity, anti-personal excellence and achievement, anti freedom/independence, and pro dependence. Liberals have putting the concept of limited distributed government on its head for decades now, but never like this occupant-load.

His America-hating, America-is-wrong agenda, demonstrated by his speeches, constant bowing to other world "leaders" etc., and projected jello-weakens has humiliated the USA and demeaned our international stature, made us an international laughing stock and an even bigger target for the bad guys of the world.
Well written, yet another relatively fact free criticism. Another example of undermining over substance, I'm afraid.

His ideology is pretty much 85-90% in line with mine-- and I am a pretty main-stream successful small business owner. I am far from poor and far from ultra-wealthy. I work hard, and CARE about the welfare of my fellow Americans.

The above is an example of the amount of distortion that's out there-- enough to lead one to believe that we have a president who "hates" his own country. Distortion that says one of Obama's few achievements -- his stabilization and improvements in relations with other countries (well aided by Hillary Clinton (perhaps the best Secretary of State in recent memory) -- is a failure.

I see very little in the way of legitimate criticism in your post. Sorry.
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Being book smart doesn't make you capable of doing anything and surrounding yourself with other people who never had a real job doesn't improve your capability, either. Having an agenda doesn't mean you are capable of carrying it out or even properly assessing the impact. There's a reason why professors teach. Professors also think they know better than just about everyone else because they've never had to implement their ideas in the real world. Even drug dealers have a better notion of business because they've done it.

But when polls tell you the public isn't with you on just about every issue, when they tell you what your priority should be and you don't listen, when you don't have a clue that YOU are the reason employers aren't hiring or you do know it and ignore it, you deserve to be defeated.

Mort Zuckerman: Obama Is Barely Treading Water - US News and World Report

"Hillary Clinton told reporters that both she and the presumptive Republican nominee John McCain offer the experience to be ready to tackle any crisis facing the country under their watch, but Barack Obama simply offers more rhetoric 'I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say,' she said. 'He's never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002.'" Hillary Clinton

Clinton Says She and McCain Offer Experience, Obama Offers Speeches - From The Road - CBS News

Of course, I don't think Hillary or McCain had the right experience, either.

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Old 07-13-2010, 10:04 AM
 
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Obama is no dream;he has turned out to be a full nitemare that will last for genertions to come by the CBO report talked about at the govenor conference.When you have the leaders of thwe presidental commission one democarat and one republican outline what the CBO report reveled.They bascailly said that the defcit will bring about a basic change in politcs. They falt said the Pig is dead. That sate and local governments can look for no money from the federal government like in past. The federal governamnt will be paying back a defcit of 13 trillion has of now that will cost 50 trillion by the time its paid back. Politicans will no long be able to count on bring home the bacon to their home states and districts to gain reelection.Bascially Obama has made the case for ficial conservatives that they could not make without him and will effect both parties i ways never seen before for lie 50 years or else we will be Greece.

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Old 07-13-2010, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Word Traveler via Haslet TX.
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Are the failures of the Obama administration to achieve their full agenda due to the incompetence and inexperience of the administration or the consistent undermining of their policies and efforts by the opposing party? Is it some combination of both? Would things be different right now if not for the corporate interest sponsored health care mobs at town halls last summer? Has Obama been his own worst enemy in terms of providing leadership to get his agenda passed?

Obama was bought and paid for. He is making the robber barons richer and even more powerful as he was directed. His Paltry attempt at healtchcare reform couldnt have been done worse by a retarded llama. A poltical machine and media backing that crushed all in his path now cant stay on message and still rolls up into the fetal position with a huge majority in congress please. He is smarter than that, he is doing as directed.
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:11 AM
 
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Obama was bought and paid for. He is making the robber barons richer and even more powerful as he was directed. His Paltry attempt at healtchcare reform couldnt have been done worse by a retarded llama. A poltical machine and media backing that crushed all in his path now cant stay on message and still rolls up into the fetal position with a huge majority in congress please. He is smarter than that, he is doing as directed.
Yes, indeed. OLlama. The OLlama Song That Never Ends.
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:12 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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See this is where I have a problem. I have many legitimate criticisms of Obama. But this is an exact example of the undermining I am talking about. Screaming socialism (and alternatively communism), while manipulating simpletons, is intellectually dishonest.
I honestly don't think so. Here's why...

According to Elaine Brown, former leading member of the original Black Panther Party, the Black Panther Party advocated and worked toward the complete reconstruction of the American government and the American structure in a revolutionary way combining black nationalism with Marxist philosophy, with the goal of ending capitalism and instituting socialism.

Listen carefully beginning at 6:21 in this NatGeo documentary:


YouTube - The New Black Panther Party PT.2

Obama's tie to the Black Panther Party: his long-time mentor Charles Ogletree (you know... the same Ogletree who was Gates's attorney in the Cambridge incident - and who has authored a racially slanted book on the event).
"Ogletree became a campus radical, organizing an Afrocentric (though still integrated) dormitory, where he met his future wife, Pamela Barnes. He edited a campus Black Panther newspaper called 'The Real News' "
The Black Scholars Index | Celebrating Black Scholarship

Obama Mentor Charles Ogletree To Speak At Ithaca College - News Release - Ithaca College Office of Media Relations

Socialism has been a decades-long goal of Black Power supporters.
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I personally believe its inexperience and a hint of incompetence. Policy wonks don't make good politicians. They make good policy wonks.

I also believe Barack Obama was extraordinarily naive in the run-up to the 2008 election. I truly believe that he believed his own hype. John McCain was castigated for pointing out Obama's naivete, but I believe its safe to say that McCain was right. Obama serverely overestimated what the POTUS can do outside of the bounds of politics.

Since Republicans are the minority, they have officially been reduced to the Chattering Class. I don't see how anyone could blame Republicans for "blocking" much of anything considering Democrats have held solid majorities in both chambers for nearly 4 years. The "opposing party" has a big megaphone, but not a big stick. It's time to get over the nonsense that Obama has been stymied by partisanship. Obama has been stymied by his own party's inability to lead with cohesion.

I personally don't believe that Obama is a good leader. I think he's better suited at a desk in the bowels of the Isenhour Office Building than in the White House. Or perhaps on the motivational speech circuit.
THEY blame the GOP for things like holding back the most recent recession appointment and the Dems hadn't scheduled him for a committee hearing yet. How could he be held back when he had never been considered?

THEY just can't realize that the two worst pieces of legislation, Obamacare and Stimulus got no Republican votes, in the Senate. They passed them by themselves and yet they talk about the party of No. That party of No tried so hard to stop those two really bad pieces of legislation and yet they are blamed for undermining.

Since they had to have a man who would administer the eventual destruction of Medicare The Man appointed his choice during recession of the Senate relegating him to a very short tenure of office. He can serve only through December 2011 this way and Republicans had nothing to do with it all.

Great job of explaining some things that most on the left don't understand. I couldn't rep you but count this as a rep minus the point.
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:20 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Obama was bought and paid for. He is making the robber barons richer and even more powerful as he was directed.
Maybe... it might instead be that he thought he had powerful support for his agenda, but was masterfully played for a fool due to his arrogance, incompetence, and inexperience. Matt Taibbi did a pretty good job of exposing how Wall Street ended up pulling Obama's strings. Obama's either a masterfully deceptive liar and was working for the robber barons all along, or he is woefully inept and was totally played. Neither case makes him presidential material.

End result: the robber barons got exactly what they wanted, so Obama's coming after the middle class to pay for his increasingly socialistic programs.
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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See this is where I have a problem. I have many legitimate criticisms of Obama. But this is an exact example of the undermining I am talking about. Screaming socialism (and alternatively communism), while manipulating simpletons, is intellectually dishonest. The only purpose of it is to help the opposing party achieve majority.

This is damaging to any presidency and weakens America, yet people insist on doing it, as if repeating this falsehood is equivalent to a thoughtful criticism or even a witty snark.
I guess you saw none of that for those 8 years you people like to talk about when making excuses for Obama!!! Hard to understand. You do, of course, know that what is going with us and what is going on with you is the time hnonored way the INS and OUTS are supposed to behave, don't you?
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:23 AM
 
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Honestly, I didn't participate in the forum until recently. Calling Bush a murderer is ridiculous hyperbole, completely non-constructive and also distracts from the many, many, many legitimate criticisms one could make of Bush.

So, your opinion is two wrongs make a right? When does this end? When do we do what's best for the country?
I think you are missing the point. Obama is not suffering unduly.

He has not faced near the criticism that others have. He has protection of a democrat controlled congress.

until the Mass. Senate election, he held a filibuster proof majority.

Every president faces opposition from the opposition party. There is nothing wrong with that.

Obama failures are his own. Most of them have nothing to do with what he has not been able to accomplish.

he got his stimulus package passed
he got healthcare passed
he has not been stymied in attacking AZ over the illegal immigration law
he is not being hampered by republicans in doing whatever he wants on the Gulf Oil spill.

In all of these the public is against him. that is his fault. it is about what he has done.
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