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You mean pure anarchy, where does this exist?? Our capitalistic system operates within a foundation of laws, rules and federal regulations.
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There is no right or wrong answer when it comes to economics. What failed in one place, may work well in others.
Slave states like Cuba never "work out" any place they are tried.
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My grandfather told me about the times when he grew up. When all of the farmers helped farm each others lands. When everyone in town got together to harvest. When there was no money, and if you needed something, you just asked your neighbor for it.
That sounds a hell of a lot more like communism, than free markets.
Coming together, voluntarily as a community during hard times, is one thing, being forced by the state to work for slave wages is completely different.
Communism is nothing less then state sponsored slavery, where they people cannot, and will not make self aware decisions about how they want to live their lives, because the state decides what is in their best interest - that is what we face with 0bama and the current democratic party.
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Unregulated free markets lead to the monopolies that had to be busted by Teddy Roosevelt. It also lead to the great depression.
So we are back to the straw man argument of private sector anarchy, which does not exist in America, so you need to get off that soapbox.
That community is more important than individual? (Ask not what your country can do for you, ask for what you can do for your country ring a bell?)
That every person, man, woman, and child, should never want for food, clothing, or housing, despite how perilous their situation is?
Marxism has the best ideals humanly possible. That we are all together, and we all work together to get to a common goal. That no man or woman is better than anyone else, despite their jobs. In practice however, mostly because of human nature, those ideals don't seem to work.
Ever watch Star Trek? Ever think that their world seems like a great place to live? They don't have money, they don't work for personal gain. They work because they want to, and because resources are so limitless, that there was no need to be greedy.
Until we can develop a limitless power source, or a limitless food source, a regulated free market is the best option. However, when those things become a reality, then socialism and perhaps a Marxist form of governance would be more likely to work.
I feel I am a "live and let live" type of person overall. Although I do disagree with your premise that Marxism has the best ideals humanly possible. Didn't they try that in the USSR already? Cuba? I believe in working together----just NOT THE GOVERNMENT FORCING ME TOO! BTW, yes I watched Star Trek and liked it
You mean pure anarchy, where does this exist?? Our capitalistic system operates within a foundation of laws, rules and federal regulations.
Slave states like Cuba never "work out" any place they are tried.
Coming together, voluntarily as a community during hard times, is one thing, being forced by the state to work for slave wages is completely different.
Communism is nothing less then state sponsored slavery, where they people cannot, and will not make self aware decisions about how they want to live their lives, because the state decides what is in their best interest - that is what we face with 0bama and the current democratic party.
So we are back to the straw man argument of private sector anarchy, which does not exist in America, so you need to get off that soapbox.
Are you comparing Early 20th century America was an anarchy?
No, it was a free market based, Representative-Democracy. Same thing we have now, just with far less regulation of industries and money markets.
I feel I am a "live and let live" type of person overall. Although I do disagree with your premise that Marxism has the best ideals humanly possible. Didn't they try that in the USSR already? Cuba? I believe in working together----just NOT THE GOVERNMENT FORCING ME TOO! BTW, yes I watched Star Trek and liked it
There systems were based on the Marxist model, but they were more about dictatorships, rather than equally distributing the labor and resources.
I said, on paper, or in an ideal world, Marxism works. In a system with limitless resources, I think it could.
I did admit that in reality, it hasn't worked on a large scale, ever, that I can find. China would be the only possible example I can think of, but they adopted some free market principals, which opened them to growth.
Are you comparing Early 20th century America was an anarchy?
No, it was a free market based, Representative-Democracy. Same thing we have now, just with far less regulation of industries and money markets.
Thats not a straw man, thats reality.
No, fool, I'm asking you where this "Unrestricted free markets" and "Unregulated free markets" comes from, that you you throw out there, as a straw man, to bolster your argument.
No, fool, I'm asking you where this "Unrestricted free markets" and "Unregulated free markets" comes from, that you you throw out there, as a straw man, to bolster your argument.
I guess I just don't know where you are going with this line of thought.
We are talking about Marxism and Communism, like they have in Cuba, where the market is 100% controlled by the state, and the people work as slaves for whatever compensation the state feels like giving them. Your tossing out an imaginary country where the economy and market exist within a system of complete anarchy, is a ridiculous way to justify communism.
0bama uses straw man arguments all the time, as if he is the bedrock of sanity, keeping us safe from the extreme, and ludicrous. As he just did with BP capping the well:
0bama "We're moving in that direction, but I don't want us to get too far ahead of ourselves. "Everybodyfeelslikewe'redone, andwe'renot."
Who is this "everybody" that feels like we are done? As if we all suddenly forgot about the utter ecological and economic devastation the oil, and 0bama's pathetic attempts to clean it up have caused.
I guess I just don't know where you are going with this line of thought.
We are talking about Marxism and Communism, like they have in Cuba, where the market is 100% controlled by the state, and the people work as slaves for whatever compensation the state feels like giving them. Your tossing out an imaginary country where the economy and market exist within a system of complete anarchy, is a ridiculous way to justify communism.
0bama uses straw man arguments all the time, as if he is the bedrock of sanity, keeping us safe from the extreme, and ludicrous. As he just did with BP capping the well:
0bama "We're moving in that direction, but I don't want us to get too far ahead of ourselves. "Everybodyfeelslikewe'redone, andwe'renot."
Who is this "everybody" that feels like we are done? As if we all suddenly forgot about the utter ecological and economic devastation the oil, and 0bama's pathetic attempts to clean it up have caused.
Mine was not a straw man argument though. It had basis in reality, and was a real world example.
As I said, marxism works on paper, and could possibly work in a world with limitless resources.
As I said, marxism works on paper, and could possibly work in a world with limitless resources.
Even in a world with limitless resources, there will still be encountered people with limitless greed....
Marxism may work on paper, but it will never work in actual practice. You can change economic and social systems, but you cannot change human nature.
YC.......
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