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Old 07-20-2010, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Sharon Angle and Mike Huckabee have advocated a return to Prohibition.

Although if alcohol prohibition came back there would be a civil war or revolution in the US
They will not come out with an outright ban or prohiition.

They will tax, vilify and regulate {as with the sensors} until alcohol consumption drops drastically................they are going to follow the tobacco model that has been used to practically eliminate smoking..........without totally banning it.

The car sensors will deal a major blow. I would think that approximately 85% of the bars now in existance will close. The only bars that will survive will be in cities that have mass transit available.
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Old 07-20-2010, 08:57 PM
 
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They will not come out with an outright ban or prohiition.

They will tax, vilify and regulate {as with the sensors} until alcohol consumption drops drastically................they are going to follow the tobacco model that has been used to practically eliminate smoking..........without totally banning it.
Even then, that would be asking for serious civil unrest. Especially in the current economic situation.

IMO that would be enough to cause a civil war in the US and those "do gooders" could wind up meeting the same fate as the Russian aristocracy in 1918.

BTW, Huckabee advocates banning tobacco smoking outright.
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Old 07-20-2010, 10:20 PM
 
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Even then, that would be asking for serious civil unrest. Especially in the current economic situation.

IMO that would be enough to cause a civil war in the US and those "do gooders" could wind up meeting the same fate as the Russian aristocracy in 1918.

BTW, Huckabee advocates banning tobacco smoking outright.

By the time they develop the sensors and a majority of cars on the road have them, you are looking at a timeline of about 15-20 years. They have been going after tobacco a lot longer than that......... it is going to happen.

They have been steadily lowering the alcohol levels for DUI's for years.

Social engineering has put the public sentiment towards impaired drivers right up there with pedophiles.

With the trend towards nannyism in full swing {smoking, obesity} I have no doubts that the days when you will be able to stop at the local bar for a beer or two, or have a beer at the ballgame and get in your car and drive home are coming to an end.

Twenty years from now the local bar will only be a fond memory.
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Old 07-20-2010, 10:46 PM
 
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By the time they develop the sensors and a majority of cars on the road have them, you are looking at a timeline of about 15-20 years. They have been going after tobacco a lot longer than that......... it is going to happen.

They have been steadily lowering the alcohol levels for DUI's for years.

Social engineering has put the public sentiment towards impaired drivers right up there with pedophiles.
Law enforcement sentiment and the sentiment of the justice system, but not in the eyes of the population.

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With the trend towards nannyism in full swing {smoking, obesity} I have no doubts that the days when you will be able to stop at the local bar for a beer or two, or have a beer at the ballgame and get in your car and drive home are coming to an end.

Twenty years from now the local bar will only be a fond memory.
The blood alcohol level in the UK is lower than that of the US and it hasn't stopped the drinking culture at all.

Also, a lot can happen in 20 years. The do-gooder types could very well wind up completely discredited if they go too far. It's happened before and could happen again. Especially because demographic trends are working against the very group who make up the majority of the do-gooders: native born upper middle class non-Latino and non-Middle Eastern whites with families. Few people could have guessed what's going on today 20 years ago. Those living in the NYC ruled by David Dinkins or Ed Koch could never have predicted Bloomberg's "DisneyHattan"

There's also a difference between smoking and drinking: drinking's ingrained in almost all groups and classes in American society, except for Bible thumpers and Muslims (and even members of those groups like a drink). Smoking's more confined to nonwhites and to poor, working class, and middle class whites. The only upper class whites who smoke in large numbers are immigrants and gays. It would take an imposition of Sharia in the US to get drinking shut down (and I don't even think a majority of Muslim Americans would support that, let alone the 97 percent of Americans who aren't Muslim).

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Old 07-20-2010, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Law enforcement sentiment and the sentiment of the justice system, but not in the eyes of the population.



The blood alcohol level in the UK is lower than that of the US and it hasn't stopped the drinking culture at all.

Also, a lot can happen in 20 years. The do-gooder types could very well wind up completely discredited if they go too far. It's happened before and could happen again. Especially because demographic trends are working against the very group who make up the majority of the do-gooders: native born upper middle class non-Latino and non-Middle Eastern whites with families. Few people could have guessed what's going on today 20 years ago. Those living in the NYC ruled by David Dinkins or Ed Koch could never have predicted Bloomberg's "DisneyHattan"

There's also a difference between smoking and drinking: drinking's ingrained in almost all groups and classes in American society, except for Bible thumpers and Muslims (and even members of those groups like a drink). Smoking's more confined to nonwhites and to poor, working class, and middle class whites. The only upper class whites who smoke in large numbers are immigrants and gays. It would take an imposition of Sharia in the US to get drinking shut down (and I don't even think a majority of Muslim Americans would support that, let alone the 97 percent of Americans who aren't Muslim).
Drinking will not get shut down..................where you can drink is what will become restricted. They are already working on it. {see the link I provided earlier}

Drinking and driving home is what will be shut down. Then..........since you will be unable to drink and drive........the bars will go out of business.

No one will have to ban bars..............they will just no longer be viable.

You will drink at home, at bars in large cities with mass transit, casinos and resorts............places where you can drink and not drive home.

They are not going to ban alcohol. They are going to refine technology to the point where you will be unable to start your car if you have had a beer.

My father was a 100% Disabled WWII Vet.................I don't think he ever would have invisioned the day when he couldn't go to the local VFW for a smoke and a beer............but that day is here.
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Old 07-21-2010, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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...BTW, Huckabee advocates banning tobacco smoking outright.
Where is the proof of this? If that is the case there needs to be a nationwide ban on Mike Huckabee.
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Old 07-21-2010, 06:46 AM
 
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If you can't get enough by 2 A.M. you're not a very good drunk. Besides, if you didn't have a closing time, when would all the girls get prettier?
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Old 07-21-2010, 07:26 AM
 
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Some poster advocated a longer time span between last drink served and the bar closing.

A bar is in the business to turn a profit and they are not a baby sitting service.

When the drink serving stops and the til " quits ringing" , the profit for the night is over.

After 15 nminutes after last call, empty the bar out.

A bar shouldn't be in the baby sitting business and expected to do it with no extra charge.
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Old 07-21-2010, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Tha 6th Bourough
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I can't beleive no one has mentioned MIAMI-DADE County....just like New Orleans they can stay open 25 hours

Last call (bar term) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 07-21-2010, 07:47 AM
 
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If you can't get enough by 2 A.M. you're not a very good drunk. Besides, if you didn't have a closing time, when would all the girls get prettier?
You're forgetting about people who get out of work at 3 or 4 am and wanna hang out with co-workers
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