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Old 03-15-2011, 10:21 PM
 
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Yes they should.

Democrats want every possible vote and don't really care if it's a legal vote or an illegal vote.
When Republicans come out for a paper trail then I'll think about taking them seriously
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Old 03-15-2011, 10:23 PM
 
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Worrying about voter IDs while ignoring the lack of a paper trail is like locking the upstairs windows but leaving the front door wide open
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Old 03-15-2011, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Voter ID when voting is a faux problem. You can't vote unless you're registered. Voter ID wouldn't address any of the real problems of fraudulent voting. The real problems are with the voter registration systems that do not keep up with address changes, that are not updated when people die, that allow the same individual to be registered in multiple locations, even when that individual doesn't have any fraudulent intent.

Many, many places do currently require voters to present photo identification, and have back-up procedures when photo identification is not available. But requiring identification does present problems for a small minority of people, and that minority should have their right to vote protected. I don't think Democrats are opposed to voter ID laws, they are opposed to voter ID laws that don't take into consideration that small minority.

And anyone determined to commit voter fraud could easily get around voter ID requirements at polling locations by using the absentee ballot system. There are very few actual prosecutions of voter fraud, and both Republicans and Democrats assign party members to polling locations to make sure that the rules are being observed.

The best way to prevent voter fraud is not for more stringent ID requirements at the time of voting, but for voter registration rolls to be more carefully maintained and to be cross-referenced against registration rolls nationwide.



What elegible voter can't get a state ID?
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Old 03-15-2011, 10:33 PM
 
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If you think about it, what a better way to move votes around to where you need them.

These people are not in the system. So they can be fluid and locate themselves in swing states in order to tip close elections in a certain direction.

Check the state where there is an increasing amount of illegals - it will probably be a swing state for the elections.

To me it's deplorable - but from a purely strategical standpoint, it makes sense. So in order for it to work, you can't have any voter ID laws.
Yeah, I can name a way that's much easier. Program the paperless voting machines to rig the election. That can be done in the privacy of your office, you just type in the code or however it's done, and it still works even if an ID is required to vote
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Old 03-15-2011, 10:55 PM
 
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MN proved that you can fit a couple thousand votes in the trunk of a car, there are many ways to steal elections.
What the hell good are they in the back of a car???

Try casting them. That would require you go to the voting place and go to the check in table. There may be a line. Then when you get the ballot you go to the booth. There may be a line. Then after you've filled out the ballot you go to the check out table. There may be a line. Then you put the ballot into the box. You have to do that for each of those ballots and you might not want to try doing it twice in the same place
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Old 03-16-2011, 06:27 PM
 
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What elegible voter can't get a state ID?
I wonder the same thing. A state ID in both states I've lived in is about $20.

There's always this "concern for affected voters" who are supposed to be poor or elderly, but how are these imaginary people cashing their paychecks, or their welfare checks if they're poor, or their social security checks if they're elderly? They need an ID at some point to obtain a job, to get paid from that job, to apply for government assistance, and to apply for social security and cash those checks. If they used direct deposit, they still need an ID to open a bank account.

I mean really, how many people in this country besides maybe homeless people have never had a job or never received government assistance their entire lives yet found a way to make ends meet financially? I grew up around a lot of poor people and even the most strung out crackhead had an ID so she could cash her welfare checks. Even the drunk guy on the corner had an ID so he could buy liquor and cigarettes.
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Old 03-16-2011, 06:46 PM
 
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If you are forced to have ID, then it should be free. And the money to pay for them should come from the private money received by the politicians and every person that voted them in office only.
Good afternoon,

Should every government mandate become free? The government requires a license and car insurance to drive, and neither are free. Obamacare requires everyone to have healthcare, and it's not free. The same people who are "forced" by these program and "cannot afford" a $20 ID are "forced" to get an ID anyway if they are poor and want welfare or elderly and want to collect Social Security.

Even if we used your solution, it's still not "free", we're all paying for it, and at a premium since we have to pay for administration and overhead of the "free" voter ID program.
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Old 03-16-2011, 06:49 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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If you are forced to have ID, then it should be free. And the money to pay for them should come from the private money received by the politicians and every person that voted them in office only.
And what about those that are bed ridden or cannot leave a home or hospital? If an ID is required to vote, shouldn't there be a way to pay for that person to receive that ID where they are being cared for?
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Old 03-16-2011, 06:50 PM
 
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It is free to the people that do not want it, the cost is laid upon the shoulders of ONLY those that want it. If that policy was followed in 'merica, a lot of programs would suddenly cease to exist.
The same thing applies to voting. Only the people who want to vote will pay for the $20 ID, or better yet, simply show up with the one they already have, since non-ID carrying voters are imaginary people.

I'm fine with a lot of programs ceasing to exist.
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Old 03-16-2011, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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They want to win by enabling the dead, the illegal aliens, the felons, those who vote multiple times, and even imaginary people who do not exist. If we had to provide an ID to vote to prevent fraud, then many votes the dems currently depend upon would be lost.
Since illegal immigrants have moved here in large numbers (over 1 million in Florida alone), and many if not most local elections are decided by a small number of voters, this is a major problem in America. Democrats don't want it solved since their power base is the very poor such as illegals.

The problem arises "because of deficiencies in state law and the failure of federal agencies to comply with federal law, there are almost no procedures in place that allow election officials to detect, deter, and prevent non-citizens from registering and voting." The Cutting Edge News

With government at all levels handing out billions to those who use the money to produce large families, instead of improving their lot, it is no wonder that the taxpayers whose money is being given away are routinely outnumbered by recipients of government giveaways. We have reached the point where sacrificing your life to have a professional career simply makes you a tax slave to government, and you won't have enough left over to have any quality of life--let alone retirement. Until significant numbers of tax slaves "Go Galt" and cut off the flow of money to corrupt and power-mad politicians, things will continue to degrade.
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