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There is no reference to Congress in Judeo-Christian principles which you believe to be the foundation of US constitution either... it is all about God (Allah, in Arabic). Oh, and pretty much everything you call Judeo-Christian is Islamic as well. Technically, it should be Judeo-Christian-Islamic principles.
No, not really. Simply, the Jews only accept the OT, the Christians and Messianic Jews accept the Old and New Testament and the Muslims accept the Koran. They claim to accept the Old and New Testament. If that were true, then they would harmonize with the Bible. The Koran clearly does not. Of course, there are some similarities, but it doesn't harmonize.
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What exactly is Judeo-Christianity principles that you suggest Quran has only part of it in common? There is nothing about Christianity that is common with Judeo principles either. What is Jesus (you know, the reason for Christianity to exist in the first place) in Judaism, that somehow this reference "Judeo-Christian" has been made sound so magical?
God had chosen the Hebrew nation to bring out a people for His name. Why the Hebrews? There is no answer, it's just the people He chose. It could have been anyone, but it happened to be the Hebrews. When He manifested himself in flesh, the Jews did not want to receive Him. But, many did as the NT bears out. Paul was chosen to minister to the "Gentiles", which simply means non-Jewish.
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So now bill of rights can be used as a distraction. From what, if I may ask...
Being a Muslim is that disqualification? Wait... you said something about using first amendment for distraction... is this it?
I am simply saying that any group or people that come here to try and change our Constitution and subjugate us to their laws should disqualified from their rights as a citizen. We have laws that say you cannot behead/murder, rape or beat your wife. You can go to jail for that. Sharia law is in direct contradiction to the laws of our land.
I am simply saying that any group or people that come here to try and change our Constitution and subjugate us to their laws should disqualified from their rights as a citizen.
As long as said citizens pursue their political goals legally, denying them their rights would be - unconstitutional. Ironic, isn't it?
(Is it me, or has the debate strayed a bit from the original debate subject of a community center with a praying room?)
Why don't we address with the subject at hand? This location and this Imam's insensitivity about this Mosque while the funding is at question.
Seeing as the bigots are now going crazy about a suggested mosque in Temecula, CA, it would appear that the Radius of Intolerance has extended to about 3000 miles.
No, not really. Simply, the Jews only accept the OT, the Christians and Messianic Jews accept the Old and New Testament and the Muslims accept the Koran. They claim to accept the Old and New Testament. If that were true, then they would harmonize with the Bible. The Koran clearly does not. Of course, there are some similarities, but it doesn't harmonize.
Bible was harmonized to be seen as an extension of Judaism, that is why you see more similarities. Judaism itself couldn't care less for Christianity. For that matter, how exactly does Judaism see Jesus as? If they don't accept him even as a prophet (which Quran does) much less son of God, what exactly is "Judeo-Christianity" about? Could you give me some examples to go with it?
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God had chosen the Hebrew nation to bring out a people for His name. Why the Hebrews? There is no answer, it's just the people He chose.
Could it be because the Hebrews wrote it all? Do you have any proof of what you believe other than what you've been made to believe?
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I am simply saying that any group or people that come here to try and change our Constitution and subjugate us to their laws should disqualified from their rights as a citizen.
I think you're just as guilty as "them". In fact, more than them, you're working on oppressing their freedoms guaranteed by the constitution, and using an idea of mob rule to achieve that. People should never use the constitution as a sham to push their agenda, which is exactly what the right wingers in this country are hell bent for.
Bible was harmonized to be seen as an extension of Judaism, that is why you see more similarities. Judaism itself couldn't care less for Christianity. For that matter, how exactly does Judaism see Jesus as? If they don't accept him even as a prophet (which Quran does) much less son of God, what exactly is "Judeo-Christianity" about? Could you give me some examples to go with it?
Could it be because the Hebrews wrote it all? Do you have any proof of what you believe other than what you've been made to believe?
I think you're just as guilty as "them". In fact, more than them, you're working on oppressing their freedoms guaranteed by the constitution, and using an idea of mob rule to achieve that. People should never use the constitution as a sham to push their agenda, which is exactly what the right wingers in this country are hell bent for.
First bolded, absolutely correct. One example would be taking the original Jewish Eve-and-serpent story and making it into a prophecy of a messiah.
Second bolded, I always found that a bizarre phrase, too. You can't be waiting for the messiah to come and claiming that he already did at the same time.
No, not really. Simply, the Jews only accept the OT, the Christians and Messianic Jews accept the Old and New Testament and the Muslims accept the Koran. They claim to accept the Old and New Testament. If that were true, then they would harmonize with the Bible. The Koran clearly does not. Of course, there are some similarities, but it doesn't harmonize.
God had chosen the Hebrew nation to bring out a people for His name. Why the Hebrews? There is no answer, it's just the people He chose. It could have been anyone, but it happened to be the Hebrews. When He manifested himself in flesh, the Jews did not want to receive Him. But, many did as the NT bears out. Paul was chosen to minister to the "Gentiles", which simply means non-Jewish.
I am simply saying that any group or people that come here to try and change our Constitution and subjugate us to their laws should disqualified from their rights as a citizen. We have laws that say you cannot behead/murder, rape or beat your wife. You can go to jail for that. Sharia law is in direct contradiction to the laws of our land.
Have there been widespread evidence that New York Muslims are doing those things?
Seeing as the bigots are now going crazy about a suggested mosque in Temecula, CA, it would appear that the Radius of Intolerance has extended to about 3000 miles.
And I believe there is a similar incident going on in Tennessee. So the Radius is now filling in all the spaces between the coasts. This does make me curious: is Newt Gingrich going to start traipsing around the country, denouncing mosques wherever they may be?
Have there been widespread evidence that New York Muslims are doing those things?
YES, they can go to jail for that. You've got it.
Don't bother. The opposition to this project is clearly based upon nothing but an admittedly illogical gut feeling of xenophobia and a series of strawman arguments each more pathetic than the last.
What we look like to the world when we hold a billion people to task for what a handful of them did is a country of people not even courageous enough to stand for our own ideals.
To say nothing of the egregious double standards. If the argument was coming from the varous first peoples all throughout the Americas and Africa that building churches was insensitive considering the history of violent suppression of native beliefs that occurred at the hands of white Christians, these are some of the same people who'd bawl about how the whole world holds them responsible for something they didn't do.
Now apparently we're basing our laws on the laws of third world theocracies. "If we can't build churches in Saudi Arabia!". By that logic, if Americans can't criticise the Cuban leader, why can Cuban-Americans criticise our president? If Americans can't enter Iran or North Korea, why can Iranians or Koreans enter America? Why? Because we aren't a goddamn theocracy. A point seemingly lost on many posters here.
I'm really embarrassed to have been born within the same geographic delineation as some of these unprincipled people.
PS When Christopher freaking Hitchens says you're going too far in your crusade against Islam, you really need to do some deep navel gazing.
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