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Liberal media myth. If their healthcare is so superior then why do so many foreigners come to the US for specialized medical care they can't get anywhere else?
And in case you haven't heard, the Euro is the new hot potato nobody wants to be stuck holding.
You need to get out more, read more diverse news and literature, and educate yourself about the world first-hand instead of regurgitating Leftist propaganda.
While bias to a side happens, like you mentioned liberal bias, the other side is guilty of it also. That being, America is always the best, and superior, and any word otherwise is met with hands cuffing the ears and singing God bless America.
Any criticism about American health care is also met with the response " well if your health care over there is so great why do they come to America?"
But the point is, is America superior in knowledge? yes a lot of the time. But is it superior where everyone gets whatever they need? Ugh no, not unless you can afford it.
I'll say one thing about other places, they put the importance of human life above money when it comes to health care. Americans continue to let insurance raise rates, raise deductables, offer less coverage, payoff politicians to protect from having to compete and American people cheer it as American free market at work with insurance companies as being right to keep what they *cough* "work for". Oh yes insurance should just keep the fruit of their labor with out gubermint interfering. Because government is always bad, while private industry is always just and true.
I'll say one thing about other places, they put the importance of human life above money when it comes to health care. Americans continue to let insurance raise rates, raise deductables, offer less coverage, payoff politicians to protect from having to compete and American people cheer it as American free market at work with insurance companies as being right to keep what they *cough* "work for". Oh yes insurance should just keep the fruit of their labor with out gubermint interfering. Because government is always bad, while private industry is always just and true.
No they don't, because when government ration care, like what the Cameron government is doing to the NHS, and what Obama's new Medicare appointee wants to do, is that placing human life above money? Oh, I guess it isn't a free meal after all if people have to suffer due to government cutbacks. Right there I just gutted your argument that government is compassionate and places human life above money.
You know why health care is so expensive in this country? Because of government interference in the marketplace. The moment the government started to guarantee healthcare to certain segments of the population, the more insurance companies raised rates to milk off the government. Government responds by subsidizing even more and companies milk more off the government. Now, like housing prices, everything is hugely inflated due to government induced inflation. Take away the government foundation and the floor will cave in, stabilizing prices. The whole point of ObamaCare is that, as Obama knew, government creates inflation and his healthcare reform will cause massive price inflation just like what happened with RomneyCare, forcing the government to make the now politically viable option of NHS style health care in which everyone now better hope the government doesn't cut back on health care because the government WILL limit private alternatives. Socialized medicine at work fellas
No they don't, because when government ration care, like what the Cameron government is doing to the NHS, and what Obama's new Medicare appointee wants to do, is that placing human life above money? Oh, I guess it isn't a free meal after all if people have to suffer due to government cutbacks. Right there I just gutted your argument that government is compassionate and places human life above money.
You know why health care is so expensive in this country? Because of government interference in the marketplace. The moment the government started to guarantee healthcare to certain segments of the population, the more insurance companies raised rates to milk off the government. Government responds by subsidizing even more and companies milk more off the government. Now, like housing prices, everything is hugely inflated due to government induced inflation. Take away the government foundation and the floor will cave in, stabilizing prices. The whole point of ObamaCare is that, as Obama knew, government creates inflation and his healthcare reform will cause massive price inflation just like what happened with RomneyCare, forcing the government to make the now politically viable option of NHS style health care in which everyone now better hope the government doesn't cut back on health care because the government WILL limit private alternatives. Socialized medicine at work fellas
Seems to me government had to start covering who the insurance companies deemed as undesirable. Why do you think my state of FL has a insurance pool for house and health insurance for those who the insurance don't want? Hell the whole state of Florida is denied by insurance for housing these days because insurance had to cough up for a couple bad hurricane years.
Insurance always bribes politicians to create laws that favor insurance profit, so yeah in that case you are right, government interference is hurting.
I'll say it again, Verizon came into my area to compete with Brighthouse, that is the free market at work that is good for both the consumer and the better company. That isn't happening with health insurance, yet some of you blindly support anything you think that is non government. Like a horse with blinders ( government always bad, private enterprise always good). It really is no different in blindness to idealism for the opposite thought like true socialism supporters.
America is a great country for many reasons. However in my discussions with a few people in different countries, never have I heard them say they dislike their health care system. So one to one discussion have told me they like their system, how can a American say otherwise that they don't?
In those discussions with foreigners they have mentioned a lot of things they look up to America for, but the one thing they always say is how they are so glad not to have our health system. One British guy at work even told me " great place, but your health care system sucks, it is too expensive".
If you all want to deny that there is a increasing problem and refuse to believe that even some government regulation is needed you are going to allow a system to make more and more people disatisfied with it and that is going to increase the chances of them then supporting full take over by government when government regulation or at least no more payoffs to help insurance could have reversed it. Insurance has politicians in their pocket and you all call that free enterprise and private industry rights?
More and more only the wealthy elite will be able to afford care or insurance premiums and that will bring a revolution to the whole game plan. Every damn year insurance raises rates, raises the deductable while offering less coverage or refusing coverage outright.
Whats amazing is all the half truths and false statements in this post !
Many euros come here for medical care to save their lives .
If their education is so damn good why are their so many in our universities now ?
We had the best care on earth until we were bombarded with illegals and unlimited immigrants from all over the world .
Oh really? How many Scandinavians and Northern Europeans do you know that come here for health care? Where are there any people flooding into America for better health care. They may come over here for plastic surgery, but I doubt someone from France would come here for health care.
Those illegal immigrants from Mexico are coming over here for jobs, and as far as illegal immigrants are concerned, how do you think your folks got here? Do you belong to an American Indian tribe?
What I find interesting is that so many Americans seem to believe that Government knows whats best for them. I find it interesting that so many are willing to trust people who lie for a living.
The gov doesn't save anyone any money, they only spend the money. They don't even try to be thrifty with our tax dollars. They hand it out like candy and oddly enough its not handed out to those who pay in the most.
The Fed is a nessasary evil and it does serve a valid purpose. That said I do not and never will trust and organization that is managed by some of the most dishonest people in the country.
What I find interesting is that so many Americans seem to believe that Government knows whats best for them. I find it interesting that so many are willing to trust people who lie for a living.
The gov doesn't save anyone any money, they only spend the money. They don't even try to be thrifty with our tax dollars. They hand it out like candy and oddly enough its not handed out to those who pay in the most.
The Fed is a nessasary evil and it does serve a valid purpose. That said I do not and never will trust and organization that is managed by some of the most dishonest people in the country.
I agree! They hand it out to candy to large corporations for large subsidies, yet the rich people complain about those in need for the minimal amount of assistance. I often hear Americans complain about people living on welfare, yet for every one penny they spend on social welfare, they spend $100 on corporate welfare. Those Kenneth Lays and other corporate CEO's that stole millions from their employees and companies used our tax dollars for their severance pay.
This war has also cost us a fortune, and now people are complaining about deficit spending when Barack Obama is office, yet I never heard the conservatives lament when Bush is power. The worms all came out of the woodwork after our first black President was elected. Then they griped because his new plan was going to make health care more affordable. He wanted to have a public option, but we can thank Joe Lieberman for botching that whole thing up.
Liberal media myth. If their healthcare is so superior then why do so many foreigners come to the US for specialized medical care they can't get anywhere else?
And in case you haven't heard, the Euro is the new hot potato nobody wants to be stuck holding.
You need to get out more, read more diverse news and literature, and educate yourself about the world first-hand instead of regurgitating Leftist propaganda.
Well Denmark was rated the happiest country in the world recently. When Forbes Magazine did a recent poll of the world's ten happiest nation, Denmark ranked number one for the third year in a row. Eight of those countries were all in Northern Europe, and four of the top five of those eight were all Scandinavian countries. The other two were Canada and New Zealand. All the countries in the top have excellent health care system. I guess that survey Forbes Magazine did must have a liberal bias, too, huh?
The want somethi9g for free. just look at the current healthcare debate. Any proposal that would effect anyone with a specail interest onjected to and got eliminated from paying any of te cost. I the end it will just be indriect cost to evryone really.Compnies will just pass o teh cost in higher prices and less employees in some smaller businesses.They have already shown that productivity can be increasewd with less empyees. Its cheaper to give raises'hire outside contractors where possible and automate as the price of labor rises because of healthcare cost.
I agree! They hand it out to candy to large corporations for large subsidies, yet the rich people complain about those in need for the minimal amount of assistance. I often hear Americans complain about people living on welfare, yet for every one penny they spend on social welfare, they spend $100 on corporate welfare. Those Kenneth Lays and other corporate CEO's that stole millions from their employees and companies used our tax dollars for their severance pay.
This war has also cost us a fortune, and now people are complaining about deficit spending when Barack Obama is office, yet I never heard the conservatives lament when Bush is power. The worms all came out of the woodwork after our first black President was elected. Then they griped because his new plan was going to make health care more affordable. He wanted to have a public option, but we can thank Joe Lieberman for botching that whole thing up.
Many real Republicans disliked Bush. Many also posted against him. It is my experience that people only see it when they feel its about the guy they like.
No real republican is or was a fan of GWB.
Whats a real conservative or republican?
They are for minimal Gov, balanced budget and freedom. More like what many of today's Libertarians, in dependants and conserve. Democrats are like today. They are for personal accountability.
Today's Republicans do not reflect the core values of what the party once stood for.
Welfare? Welfare is a good benefit for those who can't help themselves and need a helping hand. Example: That single mom with no job skills trying to feed her children, That teen mother whose wonderful family disowned her for getting pregnant. The problem is that it is an abused program.
Corporate welfare. Ever wonder what happened to companies like McDonald Douglas? Ever wonder how airbus got the upper hand on Boeing?
Corporate welfare at a colossal level. Who pays the lion share of taxes? It isn't you or I although I do pay a good bit. I am no fan of gov bail outs especially when they attach strings that are not realistic.
Those CEO's who got our tax dollars? Blame those in office who said ok to it. Thats what happens when we trust dishonest people.
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Because government is always bad, while private industry is always just and true.
