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I don't care to read the story, Obama not my favorite Person, must of you know this, but if story is remotely true, this is stupid, nonsense, and this professor has serious issues, for failing a class becasue of this. What does the whole class believing in Obama, have anything to do, with passing grades, or their tests.
Reid, I apologize for not getting back to this post until now. It's been a long day.
Anyways...
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I think what you are looking for is a text book description of socialism being practiced exactly and no one will be able to find that.Reason being it does not work in that form because socialism is like a parasite and needs a host {free market} to sub stain living.So Marx's socialism had to evolve with no emphasis on state owned corporations and greater emphasis on regulation and progressive taxation to reach there goal of redistribution of wealth.
Like myself you could have a poor memory or you have choose to forget these quotes from Obama which were main stream news 2 short years ago
I'm just looking for some actual, concrete examples of Socialism here, not a bunch of tinfoil hat, chicken little Republican strawmen that people like Sunny Daze try to trot out.
Marx could not have said it better and Obama aknowledges that it has to be built from the ground up { the ignorant masses } and implemented through the political process. Before you have a chance to say he said that in 2001 and has changed you might recall this one :
Oh come on now. We've already been through this one. It's alot of twisting and hyperbole.
It means exactly what it says, but that does not mean it equals socialism.
"Trickle Down Economics" sure managed to spread wealth around, and I highly doubt many people would equate that to socialism. The only real difference with Obama is that he will change that from massive tax breaks for the wealthy to instead upping the tax burden on them (to just slightly under it was during Clinton years) and using that money to pour into social programs for the lower class and giving tax breaks to the middle class.
It's a very smart economic policy and satisfies a major tenant of the free market...empowering the consumer.
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A couple of points from your own story. Notice it gives 2 definitions of socialism see if you can find the one Obama falls under :
If you picked door number 2 you win the grand prize of seeing the truth.
The way I see it the U S runs on 3 different economic theory's socialism,fascism and free market capitalism.I describe fascism in the Mussolini form of co operation between corporations and the states.That is easy to see how the corporations and banks lobby our leaders for favorable legislation and when in trouble get bailed out or subsidy. Would you classify that as co operation? All three forms are alive and well and practiced in the U S.
I liked the story you posted because it did not let the {R}s off the hook and said this about there rock star Palin:
I do not know about the most socialist but she is not innocent, I heard her say how she shook down the oil companies and Alaskan's received more money in residual payments. So like Obama she is in full support of redistribution of wealth and needs to look in the mirror before calling anyone a socialist.
This is correct. Our economy is a hybrid of many economic systems including the free market and socialism. It's been that way from the start and has more or less worked pretty well during that time.
Reid, I apologize for not getting back to this post until now. It's been a long day.
Anyways...
I'm just looking for some actual, concrete examples of Socialism here, not a bunch of tinfoil hat, chicken little Republican strawmen that people like Sunny Daze try to trot out.
There isn't any.
Oh come on now. We've already been through this one. It's alot of twisting and hyperbole.
It means exactly what it says, but that does not mean it equals socialism.
"Trickle Down Economics" sure managed to spread wealth around, and I highly doubt many people would equate that to socialism. The only real difference with Obama is that he will change that from massive tax breaks for the wealthy to instead upping the tax burden on them (to just slightly under it was during Clinton years) and using that money to pour into social programs for the lower class and giving tax breaks to the middle class.
It's a very smart economic policy and satisfies a major tenant of the free market...empowering the consumer.
This is correct. Our economy is a hybrid of many economic systems including the free market and socialism. It's been that way from the start and has more or less worked pretty well during that time.
We are in agreement on a couple of things,the first there are some tin foil hat wearing {R}s that can do nothing but spew the Rush/Hannity and {R} talking points ad nausem.The other is our tax code being a vehicle "to redistribute wealth" and once again that is a Marx's idea straight from his pen.So what we have been seeing for many years is {R}s leaders screaming socialism at the left and tinkering with the Marx's progressive tax instead really working to abolish it. So what does that make them?
I think that makes them defenders of Marx because they are also redistributing wealth with trickle down economics.Myself,I am for a flat tax rate or a VAT and everyone pays the same amount with no write offs.One of the lefts main talking points is equality until you talk about taxing and then they discriminate against the wealthy.That is hypocrisy.
Most professors aren't as liberal as people presume.
There are trends, though, depending on the area of study. At least that's what I noticed. Not saying its 100% or anything but it seemed my econ professors (my major) were more conservative.
This is the simplified example of why Obama Socialism/Communism doesn't work and cannot work. It is 100% against human nature, which works according to rewards and punishments.
A more sophisticated exploration of the effects of Socialism/Communism is found in the novel "Atlas Shrugged" by Ian Rand. She grew up in a communist country and was smart enough to realize why it didn't work. She was also smart enough to know that unless she wrote a novel (rather than a professional article for intellectuals), only the intellectual elite would think about her point.
Unfortunately, even though "Atlas Shrugged" is a novel, it is very long. And it was written at an adult, rather than a 4th grade, level. And most Americans aren't smart enough to both finish reading it, and then think about the societal and economic implications.
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