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Old 07-26-2010, 11:49 AM
 
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Increased military operations in Pakistan, with increasing numbers of military "advisors" - and no accountability to Congress ; sound familiar?

"Rep. Kucinich intends on introducing a resolution, with the full support of Rep. Paul, which would force President Obama to withdraw all US military troops, regular, irregular, and advisory, by the end of the year. According to Kucinich, the Obama administration has failed to properly notify Congress of its increasing military operations inside Pakistan, effectively undermining the 1973 War Powers Resolution.

"Dr. Paul has stated that military intervention in Pakistan is technically illegal, since the United States has not officially declared war or issued Letters of Marque and Reprisal, as stipulated in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution.

"Kucinich is especially worried by the growing presence of U.S. military "advisers", a step he believes echoes the gradual escalation seen during the Vietnam War."

Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul unite in bid to challenge Obama's war expansion in Pakistan | CAIVN
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Old 07-26-2010, 11:54 AM
 
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And the similarities between the 2 stop there. I'm tired of the Kucinich-Paul presidential ticket. One's a libertarian the other is a socialist.
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Old 07-26-2010, 12:00 PM
 
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And the similarities between the 2 stop there. I'm tired of the Kucinich-Paul presidential ticket. One's a libertarian the other is a socialist.
They both have similar views on the War on Drugs and corporate welfare, and Kucinich isn't a big fan of the Federal Reserve. Neither one is a fan of the unification of corporations and government and both opposed the Wall Street bailouts.

A Paul-Kucinich ticket could end the left/right divide in the US.
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Old 07-26-2010, 12:03 PM
 
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OP: if the decision is made to continue the Afghan war, the ability to operate from Pakistan is essential. Bush started incursions into Pakistan and Obama continued them because the results (via drones) are effective though not decisive. I am not sure Paul et al are against being in Pakistan - they just do not want an unofficial (officially unfunded) operations - like things are now. Undeclared operations seem to go on for ever without any accountability. But, if Obama were to declare Pak a war zone, it would officially be war and extremely expensive to operate out of Pakistan. Not to mention the diplomatic consequences of dealing with an unhappy Pakistani population. As it is, Pakistan is barely able to help us - and elements in its spy agency continue to help Taliban kill our troops while we pour money into bribing Pakistan.

It is a tough call. But, hey, if you have a war - make it official, and let us move forward. Else, declare victory and withdraw.
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Old 07-26-2010, 12:07 PM
 
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Securing central asian based Texas Tea. That's all this is about.
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Old 07-26-2010, 12:09 PM
 
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And the similarities between the 2 stop there. I'm tired of the Kucinich-Paul presidential ticket. One's a libertarian the other is a socialist.
Explain how Kucinich is a Socialist...please. I'm sure that there is very little you actually know about his voting record or stances on most issues. I supported him in the Presidential primaries as he, besides a small handful of others, is a true Statesman who honeslty works for his constituents and the American people.

I am also tired...tired of people regurgitating words such as "Socialism: around when they really have no clue as to the meaning.


Do Republicans even know what Socialism is?

A while ago, the Republicans noticed that calling an opponent a “liberal” didn’t quite have the sting it once did, so they decided to simply replace the word “liberal” with the word “socialist”.

Political Irony › Do Republicans even know what Socialism is?
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Old 07-26-2010, 12:15 PM
 
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How about he take back th e5.8 billion we just gave to Pakistan and put it towards the cost of extending unemployment?

RTÉ News: Hillary Clinton signs aid deal with Pakistan
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Old 07-26-2010, 12:20 PM
 
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Explain how Kucinich is a Socialist...please. I'm sure that there is very little you actually know about his voting record or stances on most issues. I supported him in the Presidential primaries as he, besides a small handful of others, is a true Statesman who honeslty works for his constituents and the American people.

I am also tired...tired of people regurgitating words such as "Socialism: around when they really have no clue as to the meaning.


Do Republicans even know what Socialism is?

A while ago, the Republicans noticed that calling an opponent a “liberal” didn’t quite have the sting it once did, so they decided to simply replace the word “liberal” with the word “socialist”.

Political Irony › Do Republicans even know what Socialism is?
I know what socialism is according to Karl Marx and Lenin, I've studied them alongside with my communist friends. Kucinich is right about the Fed that he's not a big fan of it, but he's still an Obama sell-out and is still for expanding government, specifically entitlement programs.
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Old 07-26-2010, 12:24 PM
 
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If we continue this mess we will wind up waging war with the entire world and we will lose!
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Old 07-26-2010, 12:27 PM
 
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If we continue this mess we will wind up waging war with the entire world and we will lose!
If the entire world starts to support terrorism, then by all means we should be at war with them. Would you rather we just put our tails between our legs and roll over?
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