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View Poll Results: Should performing sex-change surgery be a crime?
Yes, it should be a misdemeanor. 2 1.77%
Yes, it should be a felony. 7 6.19%
No 104 92.04%
Voters: 113. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-27-2010, 03:37 PM
 
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What an absurd question. Even if you're opposed to it, other people should be allowed to do what they want with their own bodies.

I think the Bible is a great story but I don't believe it really happened. I think believing in the Bible as truth and fact is a delusion, or in other words, a form of mental illness. But do I stop people from going to church and believing in what they believe in? No, because they have a right to do what they want to do as long as they're not hurting anyone.

So how can anyone even begin to feel like they have the right to tell transsexuals how to live their lives? Maybe it's a mental illness in your book, but to transsexuals, their gender identity is just as real as your Jesus or Muhammad or God.

Transsexuals getting a sex change for themselves isn't hurting you. In fact, it's not really affecting you in any direct way. So why do you even care to try to ban it?

And to add, the analogies of transsexuality to bulimia and pedophilia are invalid. A bulimic is physically hurting him or herself by bingeing and purging. A pedophile that acts on his or her desires is hurting another human being. Getting a sex change isn't hurting yourself or others.

Live and let live.
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Old 07-27-2010, 03:47 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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The point is, everyone, every man, woman, and child has a mental disorder.
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Its asinine to think that you can tell a grown adult what they can and can't do with their own body
Who is saying you can? I'm not sure you understand the original question. That is - whether society should sanction a disturbed person enlisting the aid of another in mutilating their body.

If you ask me to drill a hole in your head to relieve the "pressure", as in the movie "Scanners", should it be perfectly legal for me to do it?
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Old 07-27-2010, 03:59 PM
 
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When a patient's brain is swelling to a point that the fluid in their skull is putting pressure on their brain and thereby damaging it, doctors are required to drill a hole in the skull to relieve the pressure and protect the brain from further damage. In the same vein, a sex change isn't without reason. A sex change is a medical procedure prescribed specifically to people with a disorder where their mental and psychological gender does not match up with their physical body. Much like the patient with the inflamed brain, there's a medical reason and there's an ethical way of going about it.

The procedure for a sex change requires visiting a therapist, living as the opposite sex for a year or two (the details vary depending on where you live), and lots of consultations with medical doctors to make sure you are really suffering from GID. Getting a sex change is not taken lightly and doctors make sure that you are positive in your decision so that there are no regrets post-op.

Maybe the people here opposing sex changes should do a little research on how and why they get done before blindly opposing them as enabling mental illness.
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:09 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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I say yes, as any doctor who takes advantage of mentally ill people like that deserves to be in an orange suit with a cellmate named Bubba.
Just another example of how conservatives love big government and want it to grow in places they like.
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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What an absurd question. Even if you're opposed to it, other people should be allowed to do what they want with their own bodies.

I think the Bible is a great story but I don't believe it really happened. I think believing in the Bible as truth and fact is a delusion, or in other words, a form of mental illness. But do I stop people from going to church and believing in what they believe in? No, because they have a right to do what they want to do as long as they're not hurting anyone.

So how can anyone even begin to feel like they have the right to tell transsexuals how to live their lives? Maybe it's a mental illness in your book, but to transsexuals, their gender identity is just as real as your Jesus or Muhammad or God.

Transsexuals getting a sex change for themselves isn't hurting you. In fact, it's not really affecting you in any direct way. So why do you even care to try to ban it?

And to add, the analogies of transsexuality to bulimia and pedophilia are invalid. A bulimic is physically hurting him or herself by bingeing and purging. A pedophile that acts on his or her desires is hurting another human being. Getting a sex change isn't hurting yourself or others.

Live and let live.
It impacts others. Say if the taxpayer has to flip the bill?

Say if they use the same bathroom I use?
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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When a patient's brain is swelling to a point that the fluid in their skull is putting pressure on their brain and thereby damaging it, doctors are required to drill a hole in the skull to relieve the pressure and protect the brain from further damage. In the same vein, a sex change isn't without reason. A sex change is a medical procedure prescribed specifically to people with a disorder where their mental and psychological gender does not match up with their physical body. Much like the patient with the inflamed brain, there's a medical reason and there's an ethical way of going about it.

The procedure for a sex change requires visiting a therapist, living as the opposite sex for a year or two (the details vary depending on where you live), and lots of consultations with medical doctors to make sure you are really suffering from GID. Getting a sex change is not taken lightly and doctors make sure that you are positive in your decision so that there are no regrets post-op.

Maybe the people here opposing sex changes should do a little research on how and why they get done before blindly opposing them as enabling mental illness.
What you describe is exactly enabling mental illness.

Do psychiatrists make bulemics continue being bulemics for a while, to try it out, to see if it's right for them, or do they make an intervention?
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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"And to add, the analogies of transsexuality to bulimia and pedophilia are invalid. A bulimic is physically hurting him or herself by bingeing and purging. A pedophile that acts on his or her desires is hurting another human being. Getting a sex change isn't hurting yourself or others."

You mean having unnecessary surgery to remove your genitals isn't hurting yourself?

You mean taking unnecessary hormones isn't hurting yourself??



Surgery that isn't needed, hormones that aren't needed.. Think about it. Or are you too blind to see the truth?
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:33 PM
 
Location: In the desert
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"And to add, the analogies of transsexuality to bulimia and pedophilia are invalid. A bulimic is physically hurting him or herself by bingeing and purging. A pedophile that acts on his or her desires is hurting another human being. Getting a sex change isn't hurting yourself or others."

You mean having unnecessary surgery to remove your genitals isn't hurting yourself?

You mean taking unnecessary hormones isn't hurting yourself??



Surgery that isn't needed, hormones that aren't needed.. Think about it. Or are you too blind to see the truth?
Ahhh many woman in this country take hormones that aren't needed, thousands in fact.
So should all of these woman be on the 'abnormal' list in your opinion?
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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Ahhh many woman in this country take hormones that aren't needed, thousands in fact.
So should all of these woman be on the 'abnormal' list in your opinion?
You're confusing the way people are now with actions they take? The medical field has spoken out saying that women should only take hormones, IF and only if they are experiencing menopause, and should take the lowest dose possible for the shortest period of time. And they highly recommend women NOT take them period. Now imagine you had no physiological reason to take HRT..
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:55 PM
 
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I've never seen a transgendered vagina. Does it look real, or like a hacked up slab of cold cuts?
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