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Old 08-04-2010, 06:19 PM
 
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You're dodging the point. There is no logic behind the idea that you have to sacrifice something to display regret. It doesn't make sense, point blank.
ok let me attack it this way;

if you break mans law, there is a penalty you must serve, correct?

well if you break gods law, there is a penance that must be served. in this case god has laid out what that penance is. it is all laid out their in the bible. in the old testament it was generally a burnt offering, usually a lamb selected as the best from a herd, taken into the family as a beloved pet, and then after a period of time it was ritually sacrificed to god as a penance for your sins. these day because christ was put on this earth to take the place of a sacrificial lamb for all those who believe in christ as lord and savior. does that clear it up for you?
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Old 08-04-2010, 06:46 PM
 
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I'll support banning the veil if we (USA) ban the cowboy hat.
Looks to me like a symbol of oppression against people that are forced to wear it.
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Old 08-04-2010, 06:48 PM
 
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ok let me attack it this way;

if you break mans law, there is a penalty you must serve, correct?

well if you break gods law, there is a penance that must be served. in this case god has laid out what that penance is. it is all laid out their in the bible. in the old testament it was generally a burnt offering, usually a lamb selected as the best from a herd, taken into the family as a beloved pet, and then after a period of time it was ritually sacrificed to god as a penance for your sins. these day because christ was put on this earth to take the place of a sacrificial lamb for all those who believe in christ as lord and savior. does that clear it up for you?
I'll make it short for you:
"Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice to free us from all sins, there's no more needs for sacrifices, through him we get to God"
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Old 08-04-2010, 06:48 PM
 
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Right wingers narrow down everything in the universe to one of two choices:
if you don't hate Islam it automatically means you love them.
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Old 08-04-2010, 07:57 PM
 
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I'll make it short for you:
"Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice to free us from all sins, there's no more needs for sacrifices, through him we get to God"
you and i understand this, but he lacks clarity of thought, thus the long winded explanations.

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Right wingers narrow down everything in the universe to one of two choices:
if you don't hate Islam it automatically means you love them.
that is absolutely not true. i dont hate islam, in fact there are tenants of their religion i like. jesus told us to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. god loves all his children be they islamists, christians, jews, agnostics, atheists, or what ever. can i as a professed christian do less?
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Old 08-04-2010, 08:20 PM
 
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I have read both of Ali's books. In her second one she talks at length about the West tolerating a lack of assimilation by Muslims. Female genital mutilation, domestic violence, honor killings, forced marriages - all occurring in the West and often tolerated or not brought to light as they should be in the name of multiculturalism. So immigrants maintain their culture's traditions/mores, even tho they are in conflict with the laws and world view of their new country. A recipe for trouble down the road.
In Europe I have seen MANY efforts to enlightening the multicultural approach. For example, Scandinavia- land of the feminists, truly. I actually have NEVER heard as many men claim that they were feminists as I did in this region. In this region, more than in the US, female supervisors are extremely common. And of course there is the issue with female "aesthetics." Come summer, it's all skin and its very normal. For an immigrant Muslim this really can be disturbing. Some adjust and some don't.

I love the idea of assimilation programs, both there and here. Speaking of which, the citizenship test that we require of our citizen applicants is a test that MANY of our citizens would never pass.

Of course, immigrants can be expected to hold on to their own culture when they relocate. But with time and integration and immersion, their world view does tend to shift. And this shifting can lead to many responses: anger, relief, joy, resistance, conversion. You name it. It's a very complicated issue but seeing as borders are consistently shrinking, it's something to be highly aware of and learn about.
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Old 08-04-2010, 08:22 PM
 
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Right wingers narrow down everything in the universe to one of two choices:
if you don't hate Islam it automatically means you love them.
Right wingers that don't know Muslims probably fit this. Right wingers who have travelled a bit, perhaps had education in an international setting, would know better.
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Old 08-04-2010, 08:22 PM
 
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you and i understand this, but he lacks clarity of thought, thus the long winded explanations.



that is absolutely not true. i dont hate islam, in fact there are tenants of their religion i like. jesus told us to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. god loves all his children be they islamists, christians, jews, agnostics, atheists, or what ever. can i as a professed christian do less?
As fallible humans, we love all of these, yes. The time comes however, for God to judge. And we don't pretend that God judges all equally in the end. Otherwise, your faith is totally without direction or merit.
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Old 08-04-2010, 08:26 PM
 
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As fallible humans, we love all of these, yes. The time comes however, for God to judge. And we don't pretend that God judges all equally in the end. Otherwise, your faith is totally without direction or merit.
really? god doesnt judge all by the same standard in the end? are you sure about that?
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Old 08-04-2010, 08:29 PM
 
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Many left-leaning folks who bash Christians are quick to defend Islam.
Makes no sense to me seeing as how the more extreme parts of the religon...
Go against everything they believe in.
I think this dynamic has to do with these folks seeing how much Islam and Muslims are demonized these days which of course , not right. There is demonization going on, you gotta admit that.
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