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Old 08-04-2010, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Long Beach
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One word for you: PayGo
Obama and the Dems wouldn't pay for it. Republicans are calling on Obama and the Dems to be truthful. Guess what? Obama and the Dems can't even hold themselves to their own PayGo rule.

And the Repugs were gonna pay for those massive tax cuts, too? Nope, they feel they don't need to. they don't feel the need to pay for tax cuts-they pay for themselves. HAHAHAHAHAHA, what a ****ing joke?

You're not doing a good just of living up to your SN.
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Old 08-04-2010, 09:04 AM
 
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Nope, NAFTA was created under the Regan/Bush era. Talks started in 1986, and HW Bush, raitified parts of it before he left office in 1992-it was a total Republican idea. In fact Clinton wanted provisions to protect American workers and jobs. But due to other political forces in Canada and Mexico, the agreement was delayed to the beginning of Clinton's term, so he had to deal with it.

A simple google search would have gotten you these answers.

a simple search would tell you that 'freetrade (nafta) was the brainchild of brzezinski, the mentor of carter/bush1/clinton/and obama

a simple search would tell you that bush1 NEGOTIATED the agreement. but clinton PUSHED IT THOUGH the DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED CONGRESS

NAFTA Engulfs Clinton Team: Defeat Would Be 'Catastrophic'

By Paul F. Horvitz

Published: November 15, 1993

WASHINGTON— Sharpening an already intensive lobbying campaign on the North American Free Trade Agreement, top aides to President Bill Clinton issued dire warnings on Sunday to reach for last-minute congressional votes.
Both sides claimed superior strength in appealing to dozens of lawmakers who remain officially undecided on the proposed accord, which would gradually lower tariffs among the United States, Canada and Mexico. But firm vote counts remained elusive.
A failure by Congress to ratify the trade accord would be "catastrophic" for U.S. foreign policy, Vice President Al Gore said in a broadcast interview.

Faced with considerable reluctance on the part of some Republicans, Mr. Clinton, a Democrat, promised to support them on the issue of NAFTA if a Democrat criticizes their votes in the 1994 election campaigns.

Mr. Gore reiterated the White House view that a defeat on NAFTA would be a blow to Mr. Clinton personally and to U.S. efforts to attain freer trade globally and in Asia.
NAFTA Engulfs Clinton Team - Defeat Would Be 'Catastrophic' - NYTimes.com

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/15/ne...ht-accord.html

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Old 08-04-2010, 09:28 AM
 
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And the Repugs were gonna pay for those massive tax cuts, too?
So you agree, spending cuts are what is needed. Great!

Will Obama and the Dems let the Republicans cut government entitlement program spending to pay for the tax cut extensions that will enable people to spend/invest more of their own money? Thereby creating more jobs, exactly as the US Chamber says it will?

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You're not doing a good just of living up to your SN.
You seem to not be thinking things through.
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Old 08-04-2010, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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In the Gibbs press meeting yesterday, he reiterated the Presidents intentions to make those cuts permanent. Obviously, he cannot do that without Congress, but you are fooling yourself, if you do not think that will be presented.
Suuuuuuuure they will.
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Old 08-05-2010, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Suuuuuuuure they will.
I guess you are doubtful, or perhaps it's wishful. But ....

Reid plans September showdown on extension of tax cuts - TheHill.com
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Old 08-05-2010, 07:57 AM
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I guess you are doubtful, or perhaps it's wishful. But ....

Reid plans September showdown on extension of tax cuts - TheHill.com
That piece makes no mention of how Reid plans to pay for the proposed extensions...
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Thanks - that's a cool tool. With no earned income, I'm exactly the same under Bush and Obama. Expiration would cost me $3800. So I say extend 'em!
Why not go with expiration of the parts that are for the top 2% (who really don't need tax breaks) and support the Obama plan?
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:42 AM
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Why not go with expiration of the parts that are for the top 2% (who really don't need tax breaks) and support the Obama plan?
Because it's of no benefit to me (or anyone else as far as I can see), and might end up to my detriment...
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Old 08-05-2010, 09:44 AM
 
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Why not go with expiration of the parts that are for the top 2% (who really don't need tax breaks) and support the Obama plan?
Who says they don't need the tax cut? Pretty hypocritical of people to want to keep their tax cuts while increasing taxes on someone else.

If we are all in this together, we should either all accept tax hikes or all continue the Bush tax cuts.

Bush cut taxes on everyone (rich, middle, lower income). He didn't discriminate. There are those on the Left who will say the "rich" saved more money but the poor received an equal or greater percentage of tax cuts. It all depends on how you want to spin things depending on your political party.

Honestly (and I am one of those who will face a tax hit of around $6K-8K) if the tax cuts were to expire. I want the tax cut to expire for everyone. If you are poor you can give an extra $10. If you are wealthy, you can give an extra $1000. Everyone needs to contribute. It's kinda of ironic the liberals want the masses to all contribute (in theory), but in reality, it's all about wealth redistribution.
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