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I know you're responding to another poster, but do you recognize the irony of referencing Greece and the other failing European economies as a way to discredit Socialism?
You DO understand that these economies had been implementing more and more socialist policies, which is what led to their failure, correct? You don't think that these are truly free market societies, do you?
That is right Roy and if we could somehow and rightfully cut all salaries and pensions of the bastards until the money was put back where it belongs then we would have the only true leftist leaning neccessity of government. To provide for the spent workers that built the country.
Instead we have entitlement minorities and bloated hedonistic government workers to support. Carter didn't cure you Roy...you just matured. You are correct that defense is the only real necessity of a free people. The fools will not get the concept until they are handed their heads.
It was McGovern they nominated in 1972 that drove me away from that party. Of course, I detested Carter much more and he could never have been elected in most years.
You DO understand that these economies had been implementing more and more socialist policies, which is what led to their failure, correct? You don't think that these are truly free market societies, do you?
There is no truly free market society, don't be silly. Greece's collapse is not simply a result of socialist policies detached from the global financial system, and to place the blame on European socialist policies is absurd.
Now that wasn't so hard, was it? I happen to agree with most of what you said and knew that I would agree with you if you just said something.
I don't agree with you about how much should be taken from individuals or corporations but we could certainly come to an agreement if we discussed it.
You talked about economic questions and many would rather to with social and then I may disagree with most of it, but we can only discuss if we put our thoughts out there. We don't have to be nasty with each other but some on both sides won't allow anything else. Anyway, you and I just aren't so far apart and that is a beginning.
So the next question would be: Are they actually paying attention to the failing European economies? Greece is in shambles. France is trying to move away from their socialist leanings. Germany's economy is a joke.
Do they SEE this? Or do they think that just because EVERY similar economy has failed miserably, we'll get it right. Because our government has succeeded so well at everything they've done.
these are things i would like to hear from them if they cared to answer.
So lets here it? Why is this so difficult? why do those on the left always run from their position? If someone said ....."ok all you right wing conservatives we know you want to slash government and cut taxes and you dont think that the government should do any thing but a huge military....whats your endgame, I would dive in, heres how I see it working! why is it so hard for those on the left? you know what never mind, I want to hear from those who dont have a problem giving a straight answer to a straight question.
That's just it, and what you obviously don't understand, is that someone who was really interested in a "dialogue" wouldn't come in with the names and the preconceived notions on how one's politics is an either or statement. That is the same as saying "Dead or Alive", "With us or against us", or "**** or get off the pot". They're all catchy and nice, but black and white, true/false, go/no go statements, which not all "liberals" or "conservatives" or "independents" for that matter fit into. It's nice to try and pigeon hole people, but people don't fit into one nice category, and that's what you're not only missing but I think avoiding on purpose because that's the only way you can frame your argument.
Things are that easy...and that's why conservatives liked W so much, 'cause he embraced and viewed the world as a black/white world. And while there are many things that are, attempting to put a group of individuals from a political party into such a niche and then argue from there is part of the problem were in now.
You can't get a straight answer when you're not asking a straight and honest question. Until you can do that, you should keep playing on your hotair sites, where you only hear black & white statements and can flame away to your hearts content on the word Nucular.
There is no truly free market society, don't be silly. Greece's collapse is not simply a result of socialist policies detached from the global financial system, and to place the blame on European socialist policies is absurd.
To place the blame on European socialist policies is spot on. The ONLY economy that has TRULY thrived throughout the years is the American economy. And now, for some reason, the idiots in charge, and the idiots that support them can't see past their love of one man. They refuse to look at history, and even countries that are presently failing. Countries with astronomical tax rates & a flood of social programs designed to "help" the citizens (read: make them dependent on the govt).
We're watching this play out all over the world right before our eyes, but people keep supporting the idiots in charge because somehow THIS outcome will be different. They don't know HOW it'll be different, but just trust them, they'll figure SOMETHING out.
Those that fail to study history are doomed to repeat it. The worst part is there are so many lemmings just following them right off the cliff, cheering them on.
The people that want the entitlement programs have been raised to be lazy and unwilling to take responsibility for themselves. What a pathetic lot we have become.
Sorry, kev, but I am neither lazy or unwilling to take responsibility for myself although my savings did take a hard hit lately. I started paying in to SS at age 12 when I started working and paid up to the time when I stopped being self-employed at age 72 when I had a heart attack.
I suppose you consider SS as an entitlement even though it never was for its first 15 years in existence and then the Congress started spending what they called surplus SS payments. If they had kept their fingers out of that we would have more than $3 trillion in the fund and wouldn't be in so much trouble. SS is not an entitlement other than to some people who would work the system one way or another, anyway.
I have told this story too many times tonight so will gladly stop doing it. Nobody ever reads my rants about SS anyway.
I know you're responding to another poster, but do you recognize the irony of referencing Greece and the other failing European economies as a way to discredit Socialism?
I'm trying to be nice to libs in this thread but can you explain how what you said is right or true. Greece is one of the best examples of what happens when you let unions get too much control and we have been about doing just that for the last several months. Those people tried very hard to be socialistic, to a certain point, and it has whomped them just as it will us.
ovcatto can be very easy to talk to when not trying to pound us which is not that often. Many of our liberals are not that hard to talk to when they want to take part.
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