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Old 08-04-2010, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Whittier
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Alright, I said Conservatives could have said any one on the right. I am talking economics here, don't care about tea partiers, fat cats, clansmen etc.......... So here's the deal, you are for small government, you think the government shouldn't be providing health care, Social Security, Medicare, all the goodies, education, on and on and on, we all know the gig. So the question is and it is a serious question, I expect civil responses.........what is the end game where does it end? We know that you are very willing and eager spend more on the defense budget, you think the "poor" are keeping entirely too little of their own money and Corporations are not obligated to pay the government much more than they do. So, when you have brought the poor down to the appropriate wealth, propped up the military to an acceptable level and levied the minimum against the corporations,then what? Is there a point where you say all is good? Where do you go next? Do you lower the definition of poor? In your minds what does the perfect scenario look like? Is there a point where you think Government would be to small? Where and how does it end?








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Old 08-04-2010, 11:30 AM
 
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The "end game" is to get the federal government back into the "box" that was created by the US Constitution. There are 18 enumerated powers provided for the role of the fed. Anything else should be ELIMINATED.

Also, if the people are going to demand certain social "services", then the taxpayers that are funding those services should be able to control the behavior of the people receiving those services.

1. You want "healthcare"? You must agree to a govt provided diet and exercise plan. No smoking or drinking.
2. You want welfare? You will not have any luxury items in your home (cable TV, cell phones). You will be provided a voucher to a food pantry and can only purchase food staples to meet basic nutritional needs.


People must be responsible for their own behavior.

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Old 08-04-2010, 11:45 AM
 
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1.. start with the elimination of federal INCOME taxes a tax that does not take fairly....how many work 'off the books' and never get taxed.....

Americans For Fair Taxation: Americans For Fair Taxation


2. make welfare into workfare....you want a helping hand..no problem, but be trainable, and want to work, and contribute to the system.....we are4 not going to help you just sit on a couch

3. get the federal government out of many things that shouldbe at state level
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Old 08-04-2010, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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The end game?

To ensure you are able to enjoy the privileges of liberty, as guaranteed by the Constitution.

And what kevinm and truthsayer2 said.
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Old 08-04-2010, 12:02 PM
 
Location: MS
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you think the government shouldn't be providing health care, Social Security, Medicare, all the goodies, education, on and on and on, we all know the gig.
We aren't against government. We are against a bloated FEDERAL government. As Kevin states above, if the Constitution does not grant to the federal government the power, then that role goes to the state.

Education is a great example. I have no problem paying my property taxes to pay for local schools. I do have an issue with the federal Dept. of Education. I don't want someone thousands of miles away micromanaging the curriculum here. Since the feds put there hands on education, the US has fallen in worldwide rankings.

The Dept. of Energy. They were formed to look into making us energy independent. They aren't successful so get rid of them.

Medicare, SS, etc. should be taken care of by the individual. Planning for the future should be the responsible of each person not the .gov.
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Old 08-04-2010, 12:07 PM
 
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Conservatives........What's your end game?



To expose the Liberals, Leftists, "Progressives", Socialists, and radicals who infest Congress, the Capitol, and the Democratic Party...
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Old 08-04-2010, 12:08 PM
 
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We aren't against government. We are against a bloated FEDERAL government. As Kevin states above, if the Constitution does not grant to the federal government the power, then that role goes to the state.

Education is a great example. I have no problem paying my property taxes to pay for local schools. I do have an issue with the federal Dept. of Education. I don't want someone thousands of miles away micromanaging the curriculum here. Since the feds put there hands on education, the US has fallen in worldwide rankings.

The Dept. of Energy. They were formed to look into making us energy independent. They aren't successful so get rid of them.

Medicare, SS, etc. should be taken care of by the individual. Planning for the future should be the responsible of each person not the .gov.
This, and what pretty much everyone else has said.

Small federal government, states rights, liberty guaranteed by the Constitution.
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Old 08-04-2010, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Visitation between Wal-Mart & Home Depot
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Alright, I said Conservatives could have said any one on the right. I am talking economics here, don't care about tea partiers, fat cats, clansmen etc.......... So here's the deal, you are for small government, you think the government shouldn't be providing health care, Social Security, Medicare, all the goodies, education, on and on and on, we all know the gig. So the question is and it is a serious question, I expect civil responses.........what is the end game where does it end? We know that you are very willing and eager spend more on the defense budget, you think the "poor" are keeping entirely too little of their own money and Corporations are not obligated to pay the government much more than they do. So, when you have brought the poor down to the appropriate wealth, propped up the military to an acceptable level and levied the minimum against the corporations,then what? Is there a point where you say all is good? Where do you go next? Do you lower the definition of poor? In your minds what does the perfect scenario look like? Is there a point where you think Government would be to small? Where and how does it end?








Before I answer I would like to know what your "endgame" looks like...
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