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Yep, a GREAT day to be a libertarian/strict constitutionalist. You KNOW you're doing something right when you p*ss off both the progressivs and the RINOs on Missouri and CA in the same day.
I really can't wait until this paranoia about GAYS has finally worn off on those people who spend so much time worrying about something that is basically the equivalent of being left handed.
Do these people who WORRY about these things and stress really care about gays that much in their own personal lives? I mean if you don't like it than don't hang out with gay people. Don't go to their weddings and don't attend their parties.
As a gay person I find it kinda creepy that so many people are THAT concerned with who I'm attracted to. I really don't care that you fell in love with some blond chick you met at a house party your junior year of college. Why do you care that I fell in love with a brown haired guy I met at a house party my junior year of college?
Who cares if you marry her and I marry him? I'd be MUCH more concerned about my personal relationship with my spouse than some guy 1,000 miles away you've never heard of before marrying some other dude. They're not going to eat your children! They could care less about you! You should do the same!
Oh that poster is just trolling. You can tell by the post count and history. It's fun to play but don't take it seriously.
I joined less than a week ago.I can't help they decided this today when I have only been here that long and I haven't posted much. I don't spend all day on here unlike others.
A: Definition of marriage can easily be changed. Language is not a static thing.
B: I have no problem with stripping all privileges from marriages and having government-recognized civil unions for all. Until such a thing, such privileges NEED to be distributed to all willing and consenting adults, or it's discrimination.
Which is illegal.
Then you are part of the problem. Marriage between man and woman has been recognized for milliniums. There are certain constants that should remain as the skeletal structure of society. They have lasted all these centuries "because they work."
Why should they be involved in civil unions/DP either? I don't see why personally.
Tax liabilities, right of kin, hospital visitation, etc.
There's a huge list of privileges you get that you can only get in marriage.
And I can understand people wanting the government to be out of marriage, since marriage nowadays is a religious concept (even though it wasn't originally), but I still do beleive that if two persons or multiple persons want to enter a social contract, then they should be able to.
Then you are part of the problem. Marriage between man and woman has been recognized for milliniums. There are certain constants that should remain as the skeletal structure of society. They have lasted all these centuries "because they work."
Considering that some societies recognized homosexual marriage, that argument doesn't exactly work.
Then you are part of the problem. Marriage between man and woman has been recognized for milliniums. There are certain constants that should remain as the skeletal structure of society. They have lasted all these centuries "because they work."
And so in most of the civilized world where gay marriage or at least unions are recognized, what has happened to "society?"
Usually the societies that have accepted gay marriage have better quality of life scores than the United States.
So, ONE judge gets to nullify the will of the people of California.
Outrageous.
This is liberal judicial activism at it's core.
The Constitution designs a REPRESENTATIVE Democracy, specifically so mob rule (which you like to refer to as the will of the people) does not trample on the rights of individuals and minorities.
Of course that is a foreign concept to many conservatives. . .
Then you are part of the problem. Marriage between man and woman has been recognized for milliniums. There are certain constants that should remain as the skeletal structure of society. They have lasted all these centuries "because they work."
Except in those inter-civilizations....Ancient Greece and Rome...where homosexuality was a matter of fact.
But what did the Greeks and Romans do for us....? Oh yeah, give us our Western Civilization.
But yeah...marriage works...I guess you hadn't read that "1 in 2 American marriages ends in divorce"...yes that's a success rate we can all get behind.
A "privilege" that comes with many exclusive benefits.
That should be extended to all parties.
Maybe those benefits should exist in the eye of the government to begin with..
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Tax liabilities
Which shouldnt exist for st8's or gays.. getting the government out of the marriage means a straight tax rate across the board...
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right of kin
A "right" which doesnt exist for staights either unmarried. In addition, lawyers can indeed write up documents giving right of kin
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hospital visitation, etc.
This one I keep hearing, but the ONLY individual that can deny a patient a visitor in the hospital is the PATIENT.. Straight or married, if the VISITOR decides you should visit, NO ONE can stop you..
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There's a huge list of privileges you get that you can only get in marriage.
And I can understand people wanting the government to be out of marriage, since marriage nowadays is a religious concept (even though it wasn't originally), but I still do beleive that if two persons or multiple persons want to enter a social contract, then they should be able to.
As a non married st8, engaged for 15 years.. I can attest that your wrong.. The ONLY "privilege" that the unmarried give up are tax advantages and the ability to draw GOVERNMENT welfare off one anothers benefits.. Government shouldnt be offering EITHER...
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