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The reason moral disasters like abortion and gay marriage are rammed in the legal back door of the Supreme Court is specifically because the MAJORITY (see prop 8) do not want it. If the states wanted abortion to be legal prior to Roe they could have simply changed their state laws. The same is true of gay marriage. The MAJORITY spoke very clearly when they passed Prop 8. Now the angry minority seeks to overturn the will of the people in the courts. Nothing new here.
Go back and reread the entire previous 30 pages of posts.
It is not the perogative if the people to vote on te rights of individuals. that fundamental American issue is written out in the 14th amendement. That's the problem in prop 8.
A trillion people could vote against it, and it would still have been unconstituonal. Besides, it was passed in 2008 by 52%, hardly a moral majority.
the government doesn't care about who gets married to who.. PEOPLE do.. and they've voted on other PEOPLE's access to rights..
it's not like president bush declared law on the subject like a dictator..
Conservatives give government too much credit.. most of the bull$hit in government is by fault of a rampant ignorant/fickle voting population..
these people that claim "the will of the people" couldn't even pass a basic civics class.. and the leaders of these conservative conspiracy spins know it.. and they just keep repeating it and repeating it.. and the ignorant masses eventually believe it....
they should all read [if that even can] the 14th amendment. it's a real eye opener.
they should all read [if that even can] the 14th amendment. it's a real eye opener.
indeed.. anyone that actually has read it.. would have wondered how on earth the measure was put on a ballot...
The will of the people?? are u kidding me.. this wasn't like voting for funding a new school or jail.. it was other HUMAN BEINGS access to equal protections under the law!!! it's disgraceful
seeing as how common law is very much applicable in our system.. something like this being allowed to stand is a nightmare!.. a bunch of ignorant trolls saw it fit to deny gays their rights by defying the constitution.. only to end up leaving a hole WIDE open for it to bite them in the rear end later.. I mean.. if we can just vote on everything then.. what happens when someone gets enough signatures to vote on gun rights? is it cool now that a majority votes your guns out of your hands??? you don't just get to pick and choose the constitutional principles that you like.. and when and who you get to apply them to.. we have a system.. and 90 percent of the voting population understands NOTHING on how it works and what is ALL at stake...it's frightening.. and when you listen to the crap on fox.. it makes your blood boil.. because you know there's people sitting at home eating it up as fact...
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the government doesn't care about who gets married to who.. PEOPLE do.. and they've voted on other PEOPLE's access to rights..
it's not like president bush declared law on the subject like a dictator..
Conservatives give government too much credit.. most of the bull$hit in government is by fault of a rampant ignorant/fickle voting population..
these people that claim "the will of the people" couldn't even pass a basic civics class.. and the leaders of these conservative conspiracy spins know it.. and they just keep repeating it and repeating it.. and the ignorant masses eventually believe it....hell.. they got their own noise box for it.. fox news.. it's disgraceful
You think you've won something, well bully for you. Check your prize at the door on you're way out. You have the same rights as when you walked in.
It is still just sex and it is still a form of population control.
The reason moral disasters like abortion and gay marriage are rammed in the legal back door of the Supreme Court is specifically because the MAJORITY (see prop 8) do not want it. If the states wanted abortion to be legal prior to Roe they could have simply changed their state laws. The same is true of gay marriage. The MAJORITY spoke very clearly when they passed Prop 8. Now the angry minority seeks to overturn the will of the people in the courts. Nothing new here.
So your against Loving V Virginia then?? Boy thats sick.....
As a Catholic, I believe in equal rights for gay through civil unions, but I believe the sanctity of marriage is between a man and a women.
Yes, well fortunately neither marriage or this country's laws are based upon or dictated by your outdated, bronze age belief system or your tribal totem god.
Awesome! Now people can marry whoever and whatever they want. Soon, we'll be able to marry our pets and inflatable dolls, too. Hurray for the USA!
And here we have the requisite trailer park redneck parroting the worn out "slippery slope" strawman.
When pets and inflatable dolls are sentient adults capable of informed consent and able to make their own life and legal decisions, you might begin to have something that resembles a valid argument, little sheep.
Go back and reread the entire previous 30 pages of posts.
It is not the perogative if the people to vote on te rights of individuals. that fundamental American issue is written out in the 14th amendement. That's the problem in prop 8.
A trillion people could vote against it, and it would still have been unconstituonal. Besides, it was passed in 2008 by 52%, hardly a moral majority.
Technically you are right and wrong. Think about it this way. Gay-marriage was rendered constitutional on the supreme courts interpretation of the 14th amendments equal protection clause. The 14th amendment has been on the books for almost 150 years. Do you believe that if this same case had gone before the supreme court in 1868, that the supreme court at the time would have ruled gay-marriage bans to be unconstitutional? No they wouldn't have. Nor would they have ruled it to be constitutional even 50 years ago.
The basis of the 14th amendment being interpreted to prevent all levels of discrimination came during the civil rights era. All subsequent supreme court cases have followed this same line of thinking. Meaning that it was only a matter of time before someone following this same logic, would apply it to gay marriage.
The real problem is that you have unelected, life-termed supreme court judges that ultimately control the fate of this nation through their own interpretations.
Go look at some of the most important civil rights cases in our history. Show me how many have been a unanimous decision(probably none). Even more importantly, show me how many have been 5-4 decisions(even the recent Chicago gun ban decision went 5-4).
Basically, there are five people who ultimately rule our lives through their own whims. They are not elected by the people, and they are not accountable to the people. They do not reflect the will of the people. And that is the underlying problem with the system.
And anyone who supports the unconstitutional 14th amendment is a fool.
So, ONE judge gets to nullify the will of the people of California.
Outrageous.
This is liberal judicial activism at it's core.
A gay judge, too
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