Official Thread: Federal judge rules California ban on same-sex marriage unconstitutional. (war, representation)

[eaglepa17]

First consider that Thomas Jefferson was not even in America during the Constitutional Convention. He was the ambassador to France at that time. Secondly, most of you were probably taught that he wrote the Declaration of Independence, but the truth is that he was one of a committee of five able men who were assigned to draft the Declaration of Independence. John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Roger Sherman, and Robert Livingston teamed up with Jefferson to draft a document which was eventually presented to Congress. After the drafting committee presented the Declaration of Independence to Congress at least 85 changes were made to the document including the removal of almost 500 words. The myth that Thomas Jefferson was the sole author of the declaration of Independence was first introduced during his presidential campaigns against John Adams.

[Jill61]

Your so-called G-d, who is supposedly the Creator, and in whose image G-d apparently created us, created all men and women, including homosexuals.

Therefore your G-d sees himself as all manner of people, including homosexuals.

G-d is all things to all people. All people.

ALL.

Stop discriminating against your G-d's creations. I assure you, if He exists, He would not be happy with that behavior in the least.

[Wingsy]

Originally Posted by eaglepa17

not really....

“The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
–Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson

You do realize that John Adams was a Unitarian, and that that quote has been taken, out of context, REPEATEDLY by Christians?

The man had what bordered on utter contempt for orthodox Christianity... he was quite vocal about his feelings regarding the dogma and doctrine of the majority of Christian denominations.

Fact check. Read the letters for yourself. Put the quote in context with the entire letter and with his entire life for that matter. Stop regurgitating what you've been told by someone else... it's making you look bad.

[eaglepa17]

Originally Posted by Ultralight

Unfortnatly God is to often use as a tool of oppresion intolerance and bigotry espacialy by the conservative religous right.

God is often misquoted....

[LogicIsYourFriend]

Originally Posted by eaglepa17

I find it amusing that the very people who denounce God, and all religious beliefs, do so to support there argument of why Gay marriage should be legal, are given the right to do so by that very God. I am sorry, Creator……

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” The Declaration of Independence

So the Bible is a book of fantasy? Then who were the foundering fathers referring to when they wrote this document that gave you the “Rights” your demanding now ?

I have also heard the argument that religion has nothing to do with this legal civil right. But our legal rights are given to us through the constitution by the Creator? So why is my religious beliefs not valid in this argument ?

If our human rights really were endowed by a "God", then why are they so easy to take away?

[eaglepa17]

Originally Posted by Jill61

Your so-called G-d, who is supposedly the Creator, and in whose image G-d apparently created us, created all men and women, including homosexuals.

Therefore your G-d sees himself as all manner of people, including homosexuals.

G-d is all things to all people. All people.

ALL.

Stop discriminating against your G-d's creations. I assure you, if He exists, He would not be happy with that behavior in the least.

Pretty harsh attack on someone who has not state his/her opinion on for/against gay marriage....

you made an assumption...

[Wingsy]

Originally Posted by eaglepa17

Pretty harsh attack on someone who has not state his/her opinion on for/against gay marriage....

you made an assumption...

No assumption necessary - your vote of "no" was duly recorded and visible to anyone who cared to look.

[eaglepa17]

Originally Posted by Wingsy

You do realize that John Adams was a Unitarian, and that that quote has been taken, out of context, REPEATEDLY by Christians?

The man had what bordered on utter contempt for orthodox Christianity... he was quite vocal about his feelings regarding the dogma and doctrine of the majority of Christian denominations.

Fact check. Read the letters for yourself. Put the quote in context with the entire letter and with his entire life for that matter. Stop regurgitating what you've been told by someone else... it's making you look bad.

Unitarians do beleive in God ? last time I check and all..

Please dont make this personal and attack my intelligence. I have read the letters
"Stop regurgitating what you've been told by someone else"

Rules of the internet dictate I insult you for insulting me....hummm

I will save this for later

[eaglepa17]

Originally Posted by LogicIsYourFriend

If our human rights really were endowed by a "God", then why are they so easy to take away?

Becuase we have Free will....

[elgin loon]

Jesus was only famous because of his dad