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Old 08-20-2010, 01:09 PM
 
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I really don't give a damn if it's legalized or not, cigarettes and alcohol are legal and I still abhor them and will be just as opposed to recreational marijuana if it's legal as I am of it now. I've been around pot smokers all my life and I know that pro-pot propaganda about how it supposedly just makes you mellow, happy and hungry is bull, and I don't need to smoke that leaf to be happy anyway.

It really changes and affects peoples' mentality, talking to someone who's clean and someone who's a user are two entirely different experiences, like people from whole different countries, and you can expect the two to behave differently as well - Pot has been connected to anti-social behavior, by which I don't mean being a hermit, I mean acting like a jerk with less concern for decency, which is the psychological definition of that term. There's a myth that it's not addictive as well but I've known someone who actually was able to admit to being addicted to it, another who said he smoked about 20 pounds of hash over one weekend (probably an exaggeration, I can't see someone going through more than 5) and another person who claimed she wasn't addicted to pot in that she wouldn't often feel so dependent on it she needs to find someone who could give her some all hours of the day but would smoke it anytime it was made available to her. They claim pot has never been connected to cancer or cancer-related death, yet it's known to be quite carcinogenic. It's well-known to weaken the fertility of men while in their systems, and as with all forms of smoking can be connected to lung disease. It can even induce hallucinations.

If someone has cancer or constant, persisting, physical pain (legitimately I mean, not just saying that to get high), then yeah, I guess that's ok, but I really am not a fan of drug culture.

Oh, and another thing: There was a time before cigarettes were gigantic that everyone was so sure the effect they had on the body was so minimal and that they just put you in a good mood as well, in fact that's how they promote most drugs they introduce to society.

I don't believe you've been around pot smokers all your life. Certain parts of your post so not add up to that statement being true. One example is the part where you seed you don't "don't need to smoke that leaf to be happy anyway." If you were around pot smokers you would know that they do not smoke the leaf. The other part is where you talked about smoking 5 pounds of hash in a weekend. I believe it would be humanly impossible to smoke 1 pound of hash in a weekend. I think you are completely uneducated on the subject of marijuana.

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Old 08-20-2010, 11:43 PM
 
Location: Copiague, NY
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Originally Posted by HowGood

<"I've been around pot smokers all my life and I know that pro-pot propaganda about how it supposedly just makes you mellow,
happy and hungry is bull, and I don't need to smoke that leaf to be happy anyway.>"


Tell me Mr. HowGood, are you happy now? For a guy with so many skewed attitudes about pot, aren't you the same guy who connects
pot smoking, with anti-social attitudes, acting jerky and lacking in decency but still proclaims that he has been "around" pot smokers all of his life?
Is that you Mr. HowGood? You need to do one of two things, change your attitude or change the circle of friends that you travel in and while you
are at it, review the comments on this thread and make your own deduction of the obvious consensus of opinion. Find another soapbox to stand on
as you spout your own narrow-minded opinion, your not winning, here.

<"It really changes and affects peoples' mentality, talking to someone who's clean and someone who's a user are two entirely different experiences,>"

I'm stoned to the max right this very moment, actually I'm buzzing like a blowfly hovering over a fresh road apple. Are you having any problem sorting out my words,
my thoughts or perhaps my ability to communicate? I thought not, I'll pare words with you on any occasion but don't try to disqualify my thoughts or my words because
I'm willing to admit to you that I'm tapping away on my keyboard while stoned. Although I may not be a hotbed of mental health, but after 37 years of daily potsmoking,
I can go the limit, toe-to-toe with the best of them, even the rank amateurs, as you clearly appear to be.

<"There's a myth that it's not addictive as well but I've known someone who actually was able to admit to being addicted to it, another who said he smoked
about 20 pounds of hash over one weekend (probably an exaggeration, I can't see someone going through more than 5) and another person who claimed
she wasn't addicted to pot in that she wouldn't often feel so dependent on it she needs to find someone who could give her some all hours of the day but
would smoke it anytime it was made available to her. They claim pot has never been connected to cancer or cancer-related death, yet it's known to be quite
carcinogenic. It's well-known to weaken the fertility of men while in their systems, and as with all forms of smoking can be connected to lung disease.
It can even induce hallucinations">.

<"It can even induce hallucinations">
Dude, that's the very reason that most of us have for even smoking it, the mellow head that we get! I'm going to let you continue to use that example as you
continue to decry the effects of pot, it's truly a key point in our argument, as well as the very reason that I bother to smoke it!

If you knew how much money it would take to buy, much less smoke 20 pounds of Hashish, you'd be a bit less apt to casually throw numbers around.
I'd really have to hand it to ANYONE who could afford to own or to smoke, (if not sell) 20 pounds of Hash on a weekend. Here's where your ignorance sticks
in my craw, you are talking about an investment, upwards of $100,000 in street value! Suggesting that there is even the capability of a human being to smoke
5 pounds of hashish over the course of a weekend, is little more than a personal affront to ANYONE who has even a perfunctory knowledge of the substance.

<"If someone has cancer or constant, persisting, physical pain (legitimately I mean, not just saying that to get high), then yeah, I guess that's ok,">

Why didn't you just make this one sentence your whole and conclusive statement? This is the crux of the discussion at hand, the use of marijuana to relieve pain,
nothing more, nothing less. You've beaten your gums, hammered out a bunch of contrary nonsense on your keyboard, made somewhat of a fool of yourself and now
you accede and yield to the question at hand, "Is there a viable use for marijuana among those who find medical relief in it's use".

<Oh, and another thing: There was a time before cigarettes were gigantic that everyone was so sure the effect they had on the body was so minimal and that they
just put you in a good mood as well, in fact that's how they promote most drugs they introduce to society.
>

It was at this same time that you remind us of those days when our television sets were alive with tobacco commercials. We had Ralph Bellamy posing as a medical doctor,
telling us that Camels were good for us. We saw the scores of Marlboro men ride off into a cancer ridden sunset, we saw dancing packages of Lucky-Strikes
and Chesterfields, who sought to make us feel inadequate if we weren't puffing along. If the cigarette companies are gigantic, it's because our government
didn't give two hoots about our health, they permitted us to destroy our lungs with tobacco, it served them well as a taxable product that supplied jobs to
American workers. Their concern for our health or welfare be damned, it was and always will be, a cash-cow for our legislators.

Today, an overtaxed class of people are struggling to pay the government to interdict and to prosecute a generation of people who have seen through their thinly veiled
campaign against potsmokers, people who cherish the God-given freedom of choice as to what they will or will not put into their bodies. The pot struggle is less a question of
substance, than it is a re-establishment of rights, our personal rights, those which do not infringe on the rights of others to do as we see fit, that freedom of choice by which our
forefathers defined us as Americans.
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Old 08-28-2010, 12:25 AM
 
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I'm posting this thread after reading the thread about all the people freaking out over that medical pot convention @ the silverdome. Medical marijuana laws are a freakin joke!!! I live out here in cali where medical pot has been legal for 14 years. After 14 years, cities are still trying to fight the opening of dispensaries, and most of the clientele is made up of perfectly healthy folks who essentially pay for their medical cards. Worst of all, most of these 'legal; operations get their weed from the same sources as the dealers on the street. Ya know, the drug cartels that reign over Mexico with ruthless violence and threaten the peace of our wilderness by operating clandestine booby trapped pot gardens. Furthermore, the people who think they're buying pot 'legally' are still subject to federal posession laws!!
I guess what I'm trying to say is medical marijuana laws are nothing more than half-a## attempts at legalization. Either we legalize the stuff or we keep it against the law!! (so far the latter hasn't really worked). Marijuana is widely accepted in american society for better or worse. It's certainly no more detremental than alcohol or cigarettes, both of which are perfectly legal. If our government controlled the production and distribution of pot, the black market and all the related violence, both here and south of the border, would disappear practically overnight!!!
I don't condone smoking pot (I don't smoke), nor do i think that it is completely harmless. I also don't condone heavy drinking,smoking cigarettes,eating fast food or blowing your paycheck in a casino or a strip club! But as americans we have the right to do all of the above if that's our cup of tea. These medical marijuana laws are pointless, if we're going to legalize it we need to go all the way, then states,counties,etc. could choose to restrict as needed much like they do with booze.
So..who's with (or against) me on this?
Well if California can support gays I think California can support Marijuana. Makes the state more interesting as it is already.... Way to go California
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Old 08-28-2010, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Northwestern Michigan
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Here is a thought to consider. If marijuana was legalized, I'd hazard a guess that liquor & alcohol sales would drop 30-40% within a year. There is quite a powerful lobby that knows this and will stop at nothing to protect their "turf". This thought is so plausible, I am suprised no one has yet mentioned it.
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Old 08-28-2010, 11:40 AM
 
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i completely agree with you. marijuana will eventually be legalized, that is the direction its heading anyway. never understood why alcohol is legal and pot isn't? ban alcohol too then. makes ZERO SENSE! cigarettes are more addictive than pot. why not compare cigarettes to cocaine or heroin? or yes, mcdonald's french fries for that matter. meanwhile the average american is on umpteen prescriptions of what we kid ourselves into labeling as 'Legal' drugs. but that's ok. marijuana, no that's bad! its really easy, you can only ingest drugs that make our government rich.

we have better things to waste our money on than 'pot'. how about taking that money and putting it into education??
we tried that once, and all it did was make the mafia rich, or do you not remember the 18th amendment? as for legalizing pot, while the tax revenue would be nice to have, how violent would the drug cartels outside the US become if they had to compete with MJ growers here in the US? remember that domestically grown MJ would heavily cut into profits by foreign cartels.
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Old 08-28-2010, 11:43 AM
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Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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What device will highway patrolmen use to determine legal limits for getting stoned and driving?
What do they use to determine 'safe' usage of Valium, Oxycontin, Seconal, etc., etc., etc.......................................?
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Old 08-28-2010, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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What do they use to determine 'safe' usage of Valium, Oxycontin, Seconal, etc., etc., etc.......................................?
What those who use the argument of "there is no breathalyzer" fail to know or remember is this,

70% of the DUI cases that highway patrolmen arrest people for, are found by the filed sobriety test.

Marijuana use can easily be found using the same techniques that most Alcohol DUI's are found by. Touch your nose, walk the line, say your alphabet backwards, etc.

But, as I said, most either don't know that, or ignore it.
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Old 08-28-2010, 12:35 PM
 
Location: California
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What those who use the argument of "there is no breathalyzer" fail to know or remember is this,

70% of the DUI cases that highway patrolmen arrest people for, are found by the filed sobriety test.

Marijuana use can easily be found using the same techniques that most Alcohol DUI's are found by. Touch your nose, walk the line, say your alphabet backwards, etc.

But, as I said, most either don't know that, or ignore it.
It's their last stand.

There is no real reason for it not to be legal. Some people just don't want it to be because it's always been illegal and change is scarey for them.
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Old 08-28-2010, 12:38 PM
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It's their last stand.

There is no real reason for it not to be legal. Some people just don't want it to be because it's always been illegal and change is scarey for them.
The only real reason is probably the $$$$$$$$$trength of the alcohol lobby.
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Old 08-28-2010, 01:06 PM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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I know folks who will drink a lot less if it is legalized.

good point, i already know people that have given up booze in favor of a spliff or two

a spliff a day will keep booze away.
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