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[...] But he makes a good point, in light of the fabricated WMD accusations as an excuse to invade Iraq:
"Now Iran is building a weapons program. Everybody knows it and nobody is doing anything. Why?"
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Originally Posted by Cyber Queen
I agree with you. We are trying to do something with Iran just like we tried with Iraq. Sanctions don't work not when you have a leader like these two men. Saddam wanted the world to believe that he had WMD's and wanted Iran to believe that he did. Iran could be doing the same, no one knoes for sure. We could "do something" with Iran and face the same thing we did in Iraq with the difference of Obama being called a liar.
One never knows.
Well thanks, but that's not what I meant. I meant, his comment shows that we were gung ho to invade Iraq on any pretense.
Well I can see where he's coming from. Portray a big bad nation to Iran to keep them guessing. Is that wrong ? Huff and Puff to keep the enemy at bay which, according to Aziz was Iran, not the US and UK.
And Saddam, as we see now, was a man that kept his country in order.
The methods may have been questionable, but his methods worked.
IMO I think we did more bad than good in Iraq in the long run.
Religion rules over there, not politics so our process of governing has not and will not work.
Well, then we're in agreement. Should not have gone in, not as saviors of the Iraqi people and not on the premise of WMDs, much less an AQ connection.
But it is what we get with incompetence running the highest offices in the country.
Aziz is correct and right along something I've believed since the push to invade Iraq. I never supported the war with Iraq. Obama also voted against it. But it was a necessary war to fight evil, right? The result, a less secular governance (good luck for any Christian, much less a woman, ever seeing a high office in Iraq unlike Saddam's cabinet), breeding ground for Al Qaeda factions (which were NOT on good terms with Saddam) and Iranian influence. Did you think the war was a good idea and supported it? If you did, welcome to the reality.
What exactly is Obama expected to do? Reverse everything that Bush did, bring Saddam back to life, and put Aziz back to where he was? Obama is working in America's interest, and that is to stop something that should never have been. Terrible ideas may look convincing in the short term (to the short sighted, of course), but hurt for a long time. This war idea falls right along those lines.
Now let me also ask you... what exactly do you expect Obama to do? Work along the lines Aziz suggests? Work along the lines Bush worked? Or, is it something else?
BTW, unlike the AP article that provides link to the full story, Faux News stuck with what it would like its regulars to think within.
Ok how many times do I have to say this. The point I was going with had anyone bothered to read my first post was NOT, repeat NOT about Obama but about the statement that Saddam wanted people to think he had WMD's. So how where we to know for sure, when he was acting as though he did to Iran and others that he did not. Good grief, IT IS NOT ABOUT the beloved president.
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On topic, does anyone really give a **** that Iraq is "being left to the wolves"? I know I sure don't. Granted I never wanted to go there in the first place, but we removed their dictator and to date they've received 7 years and $750 BILLION American tax dollars so they could have a semi-civilized country.
To the NeoConfused that's a good thing, just don't dare mention the mere possibility of buying a Band-Aid for an American: That would be SOCIALISM!
Sanctions don't work? So where in the hell are all those WMD? That FACT is the sanctions against Hussein did exactly what they are intended to do, end his nuclear program and rid Iraq of all WMD! So did we find any? NO!
Well let's see maybe because we only gave him over 3 months notice that we were freakin coming. Oh and yes they did find labs, nuclear weapon plans and some chemical weapons grade materials. So yes they did find some.
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You have the temerity to call Obama after the tortured paranoia and mass confusing exhibited by your post?
What the hell are you babbling about? I was simply putting a "what if" scenario out there. Good grief
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I swear to god, I feel like I am in some kind of zombie movie with a horde of brain dead conservatives coming from out of every bomb shelter and survivalist camp trying to satiate their insane paranoia of imaginary socialist. rabid appetite for devouring imagined socialist!
But the Shadow do...
Booooo!
The point I was trying to make was that what if Iran are just lying about their programs like SH did? Ugh forget it just go away.
On topic, does anyone really give a **** that Iraq is "being left to the wolves"? I know I sure don't. Granted I never wanted to go there in the first place, but we removed their dictator and to date they've received 7 years and $750 BILLION American tax dollars so they could have a semi-civilized country.
If they can't handle themselves after all that, they deserve to be the region's whipping boy.
It's not that simple. (Also, need to subtract at least $9B from that total) They couldnt have become the 51st state overnight. It would have been great if the fantasies had come true and we'd established a model country in the middle of the ME, but reality got in the way, again. D'oh! Sorry, former moms and dads and kids!
But we're not removing our entire presence, business and military, from that neighborhood, I think ever.
Ok how many times do I have to say this. The point I was going with had anyone bothered to read my first post was NOT, repeat NOT about Obama but about the statement that Saddam wanted people to think he had WMD's. So how where we to know for sure, when he was acting as though he did to Iran and others that he did not. Good grief, IT IS NOT ABOUT the beloved president.
And how many times do I have to ask... do you agree with Aziz? Do you think we should have gone in and engaged in the war to change the landscape?
And I've also pointed at the ridiculous foreign policy of preemption. You support it, don't you? And THAT is how you gift something to the wolves.
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