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Old 08-09-2010, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Louisville, Kentucky
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States can stop federal money at their state line, take care of their federal responsibility, then send the balance to them. This is probably the only way to shrink them down to size. If a state needs more then they bring in, they will learn to budget like the rest of us.
Yeah, well, good luck talking any state into doing that.

These wacky theories sound great on message boards and they are fun to kick around, but in the real world, these things just are not going to happen. There really is no use to getting yourself all whipped up over states rights or nullification or states refusing federal money. Those days ended about 150 years ago. You'd be much better off working within a system that has proved successful over the last two centuries and one which has turned us into the greatest country in the world.

We aren't returning to 1830, guys.
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Northern Wi
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Four states have already started this process. Hopefully this will keep moving along until it's what America has to do to survive the grips of the crooked federal government.

State Sovereignty and Federal Tax Funds Act – Tenth Amendment Center
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Louisville, Kentucky
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Four states have already started this process. Hopefully this will keep moving along until it's what America has to do to survive the grips of the crooked federal government.
Well, as I said, check back with me in a few years after these cases get laughed out of court. Because they have zip chance of being upheld. Nullification is a fool's dream.
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:49 PM
 
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Wrong. The Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions were recognized by the feds at the time.

Dr. Thomas Woods is releasing a book called "Nullification" this fall. It explains in depth these Resolutions. It also outlines all the times states have nullified federal law. It still happens today.

WTH, a jury can nullify a law. Why shouldn't a State be able to.
Here is Tom Woods interview for his book.

Take a look.

YouTube - ‪Nullification! | Thomas E. Woods, Jr.‬‎
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:55 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Because the majority of Americans support the drug war.
Some states do not believe that is the case, and are legalizing drugs; in spite of federal efforts to continue to waste tax payer monies.
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:59 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Because when the federal government was challenged about their ability to fight drugs, the Supreme Court ruled that the drug war was a responsibility of the federal government because drugs cross the state border and is involved in commerce.. A line in the Constitution very specifically authorizes the federal governments control over interestate commerce..
Only in regard to Regulating commerce among the several States. The power to Prohibit that form of Commerce among the several States was repealed with the Twenty-First Amendment. Why no outcry over that infringement on States' rights, by people who claim they want to secede over the issue of States' rights? Why should anyone confide in the sincerity of any person who claims to be for sovereign States' rights, but does not question that infringement on States' rights?
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Old 08-09-2010, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Cherokee Nation
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IMHO - States only wish they had the power to defy Federal Law. They do not. Thankfully!

You have no clue why we have been the most powerful nation, envied by all others, for over 200 years.

The States are suppose to have more power than a central government.
That is the way it was originally designed. No King and no one had more power than the other.

It is not like that today. The central government has more power than ever intended.
Progressive Precedent law, has allowed the Constitution to be altered slowly.
We no longer go by Constitutional law. It is Precedent law, that some wingnut passed, referred to as past judgments.
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Old 08-09-2010, 10:03 PM
 
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I don't get it. pghquest was here at 8:03, so I ask at 8:06 the same question that I've been asking since 9:00 this morning and suddenly he disappears.
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Old 08-09-2010, 10:15 PM
 
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The States are suppose to have more power than a central government.
That is utterly ridiculous. The very reason that we have the constitution that we do is precisely because the states once had more power than the central government!

The central government, as the Confederacy discovered, held the power of the purse and just as importantly the power to wage war. No single state or minor group of states has greater power.


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No King and no one had more power than the other.
Ah, that is why we have three branches of government with one, the legislative branch a little more equal than the others. But to equate the national government in the same light as the British crown is... I'm running out of words for silly.
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Old 08-09-2010, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Cherokee Nation
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Ah, that is why we have three branches of government with one, the legislative branch a little more equal than the others. But to equate the national government in the same light as the British crown is... I'm running out of words for silly.

With the Senate representing the States and the House representing the People.

Now both House and Senate are elected by special interest... Now what?
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