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ROFL did someone seriously just say it's not a tax?
Stop deluding yourself.
WE DID NOT CHOOSE TO ENROLL. WE WERE FORCED TO ENROLL.
Okay.
Someone held a gun to your head and forced you to 'ASK' for a SSN policy?
I think not.
There is no law requiring a SSN.
In my case, my parents enrolled for me when I was a child. They were not forced to do it either. They thought they were doing a good thing.
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... If we did not enroll we cannot work officially at all. Show me where we have a choice to live without FICA?
That is not true.
You can be employed with an EIN. You can even enlist in the military without a SSN.
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... Ok anyway, we also all know we wont get anything from it at all unless you mean inflated devalued usa dollars which wont be worth crap by the time anyone retires.
All workers just bite the bullet and say, just another expense/tax we have to pay into, too bad I cannot do anything about it.
Many workers will gladly opt out of FICA if you let us.
I have known many 'workers' as they were opting out of SSA.
Today I know a handful of people who opted out years ago, and who have no SSA policies.
When I say "no deductions" I'm not really addressing business and such but individual income. Business owners obviously should calculate their tax after expenses, although well defined, specific expenses. Not the "I took all my employees to Hawaii and wrote it off" expenses.
So it really would not change my tax filing at all.
Just had to drop in and give my two-cents. If we must be taxed, then 13% for those under 200,000/year and 16% for those making over that. That's two separate flat taxes for two separate, but humanly equal classes. Owners and workers. I know if I made over 200,000/year, I'm sure I could work around that additional 3%. After all, for the majority of my working life, I've been taxed 17%. And that hurts when making under 25,000 for most of that. I only made a little over that, with OT, for 2-3 years. (when things were better of course) No deductions.
Things are really quite simple. It's people that make them difficult. Some sort of gratification there, I guess.
P.S. And a decent 'minimum (livable) wage' would be equally simple. $11/hour is NOT TOO MUCH to ask.
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Just had to drop in and give my two-cents. If we must be taxed, then 13% for those under 200,000/year and 16% for those making over that. That's two separate flat taxes for two separate, but humanly equal classes. Owners and workers. I know if I made over 200,000/year, I'm sure I could work around that additional 3%. After all, for the majority of my working life, I've been taxed 17%. And that hurts when making under 25,000 for most of that. I only made a little over that, with OT, for 2-3 years. (when things were better of course) No deductions.
Things are really quite simple. It's people that make them difficult. Some sort of gratification there, I guess.
P.S. And a decent 'minimum (livable) wage' would be equally simple. $11/hour is NOT TOO MUCH to ask.
Would any deductions exist? Whether it be exemptions for dependents, standard deductions, itemized deductions? Or would you tax straight income, with no deductions allowed?
Would any deductions exist? Whether it be exemptions for dependents, standard deductions, itemized deductions? Or would you tax straight income, with no deductions allowed?
I say it isn't flat if it ain't flat.
Deductions are nothing but welfare. Got two dozen kids and five wives? Too bad.
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Got two dozen kids and five wives? Too bad. 
