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- lights are going out all over America — literally. ... a country that once amazed the world with its visionary investments in transportation, is now in the process of unpaving itself ... a nation that once prized education — that was among the first to provide basic schooling to all its children — is now cutting back.
- a large part of our political class is showing its priorities: given the choice between asking the richest 2 percent or so of Americans to go back to paying the tax rates they paid during the Clinton-era boom, or allowing the nation’s foundations to crumble — literally in the case of roads, figuratively in the case of education — they’re choosing the latter. It’s a disastrous choice in both the short run and the long run.
- How did we get to this point? It’s the logical consequence of three decades of antigovernment rhetoric ... the end result of the long campaign against government is that we’ve taken a disastrously wrong turn. America is now on the unlit, unpaved road to nowhere.
The message from the very wealthy, Wall Street, the investment bankers and all their running dogs in Congress is that WE do not matter. The alternative is to make sure all the Bush tax cuts expire and we return to the tax rates in effect when we had a balanced budget in 2001 when Clinton left office. The balanced budget we had in 2001 was the result of bi-partisan efforts of Newt Gingrich and the Contract With America and Bill Clinton's administration.
The sad part is that millions of poor white Americans work in concert with the ruling oligarchs to depress wages and largely have bought into the bogus beliefs that all taxes are wasted. We've discussed in this forum before how white rural and southern types have bought into these bogus beliefs even though it works totally against their own best interests. We need to get a grip on things or we're goners.
The unending delay in getting health care, a debate we've had in this nation for decades, was part and parcel of the intentional gridlock in DC that played into the hands of the wealthy, who simply refused to pay a cent on behalf of the people who worked for them and made them rich. Same for efforts to bring safe food to our tables, clean air into our lungs, etc. The rich prefer that we'd all die and never collect Social Security or a pension, they want all that money for themselves.
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We've discussed in this forum before how white rural and southern types have bought into these bogus beliefs even though it works totally against their own best interests. We need to get a grip on things or we're goners.
We got into the trouble we're in because americans voted in their own best interest.. often times there is a huge difference between my interest, and the nations..
How did we get there? It wasn't the anti govt rhetoric as Krugman claimed; it WAS the govt. Here are some of the examples:
Local govt giving outrageous, unsustainable pensions and benefits to their workers. Fed govt not doing anything against illegals and mandating that their children receive a free education. Free medical care to the anchor babies. Feds rewarding improper behavior with home foreclosures. Feds kicking unpaid mandates onto the states, who in turn delegate it to the local govt. Delegating men to the role of sperm donor as you were penalized if you needed welfare and were married, but not if you were a single mother.
If you want America to get back on track, start rewarding success. Reward those who do the financially responsible thing. Stop rewarding illegal immigration, unwed mothers, ill prepared college students, and unthinking consumers.
Stop elevating stupidity into victimhood.
Last edited by NSHL10; 08-09-2010 at 07:29 PM..
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this isn't class envy, I'm fine with the rich making more I really am. but there are limits to their greed that I will tolerate, when everything else is crumbling, and the rest of America is getting by on paycheck to paycheck, these people on the bottom are working harder and harder, while idiots on Wall Street got paid millions for their screwups.
its not class envy, its expecting the rich to have to deal with the nations problems just like the rest of us
if you really think its class envy, you're just a sheeple to the TEA party movement.
How did we get there? It wasn't the anti govt rhetoric as Krugman claimed; it WAS the govt. Here are some of the examples:
Local govt giving outrageous, unsustainable pensions and benefits to their workers. Fed govt not doing anything against illegals and mandating that their children receive a free education. Free medical care to the anchor babies. Feds rewarding improper behavior with home foreclosures. Feds kicking unpaid mandates onto the states, who in turn delegate it to the local govt. Delegating men to the role of sperm donor as you were penalized if you needed welfare and were married, but not if you were a single mother.
If you want America to get back on track, start rewarding success. Reward those who do the financially responsible thing. Stop rewarding illegal immigration, unwed mothers, ill prepared college students, and unthinking consumers.
We got into the trouble we're in because americans voted in their own best interest .. often times there is a huge difference between my interest, and the nations..
Everyone votes in their own self interest, not news. Few vote against their own best interests, even if its for the good of the nation.
What's ironic is that people in those red states are the most reliable of the anti-government "starve the beast" crowd yet are the ones getting the MOST federal dollars, be it from massive military bases in VA, NC, SC, GA, LA, TX, OK or from farm subsidies in other red states. They vote for anyone who says they'll cut taxes, cut spending, cut government, but then they demand all those federal dollars keep flowing to THEIR states. Typical American hypocrisy.
Yes, we have met the enemy and it is us. But the main point is that these hard working people are cutting their own throats by cutting government, who is really the only benefactor they have; the rich would let them starve, or bleed to death on the side of the road.
IRT someone else, NO, I'm not playing the race card. Based on hundreds of years of being oppressed by the wealthy class, black people KNOW that the wealthy are NOT in their corner. They'll vote DEM forever as they feel that party will not abandon them, the way the wealthy want to abandon us.
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to NSHL10 again.
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