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Old 08-09-2010, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Michael P. Fleischer: Why I'm Not Hiring - WSJ.com

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As much as I might want to hire new salespeople, engineers and marketing staff in an effort to grow, I would be increasing my company's vulnerability to government decisions to raise taxes, to policies that make health insurance more expensive, and to the difficulties of this economic environment.
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From where I sit, the government's message is unmistakable: Creating a new job carries a punishing price.
Oh, most definitely in obama's universe, where business is bad, evil and greedy.

He has accomplished what no other president before has done - attack and target business for his draconian, radical ideas - the very entities he NEEDS to save his sorry butt.
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Earth
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I bet he's hiring illegal aliens instead of US citizens in order to avoid those costs.....
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I bet he's hiring illegal aliens instead of US citizens in order to avoid those costs.....
Yeah, it sure sounds like that, doesn't it.

That was a massive leap in logic with no basis.

Those that have owned a business and made a payroll know what he is saying is true.
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:08 PM
 
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Yeah, it sure sounds like that, doesn't it.

That was a massive leap in logic with no basis.

Those that have owned a business and made a payroll know what he is saying is true.
I have owned a business in the past and know how difficult it is.

However I never hired illegals and never would (despite how some paint me wrongly as an "apologist for illegals" just because I see them as human beings).

Those costs are one reason why the illegal immigration problem is as bad as it is in the US ; many business owners prefer to cut out those costs BY hiring illegals. Hiring Americans and legal residents cost money, and most employers aren't as ethical as I am.
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:11 PM
 
Location: mancos
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I bet he's hiring illegal aliens instead of US citizens in order to avoid those costs.....
nah the Illegal alien crap just started it. most us Americans work off the book now or are independent contractors now.just like buying tobacco without paying the 2000% obama tax. we get around all that crap Americans are pretty slick at avoiding opression except the ones that depend on the gov cause they are to scared someone else wont pay for their living. what a way to live. trade your beliefs for 30 pieces of silver
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I have owned a business in the past and know how difficult it is.

However I never hired illegals and never would (despite how some paint me wrongly as an "apologist for illegals" just because I see them as human beings).

Those costs are one reason why the illegal immigration problem is as bad as it is in the US ; many business owners prefer to cut out those costs BY hiring illegals. Hiring Americans and legal residents cost money, and most employers aren't as ethical as I am.
That is pure speculation. Not every business is interested in breaking the law. And surely this gentleman is not.

The example he gives is NOT one that points to hiring of illegal aliens.
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:24 PM
 
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That is pure speculation. Not every business is interested in breaking the law.
Many are, especially the bigger ones.

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And surely this gentleman is not.
We have no way of knowing this.

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The example he gives is NOT one that points to hiring of illegal aliens.
Not necessarily. By hiring illegals he would save on the costs that he mentioned.

I may not have been successful at running a small business, but having had the experience of doing so makes me understand how difficult it is, and also makes me more open to market based solutions than many of my fellow liberals here.

In the real world, people do unethical and illegal stuff all the time. In order to address the illegal immigration problems in this country we have to look at the policies and conditions that made the problems on the level that they are now, including those that may not fit comfortably with our own ideologies.
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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I would think hiring decisions would be made on the basis of demand for your product
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:41 PM
 
Location: mancos
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I would think hiring decisions would be made on the basis of demand for your product
DUH ever hear of the looming obama care. who can afford that. the fines alone will bankrupt most small businesses. careful what you wish for next time
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:49 PM
 
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DUH ever hear of the looming obama care. who can afford that. the fines alone will bankrupt most small businesses. careful what you wish for next time
Hopefully the SCOTUS will strike Obamacare down as being unconstitutional, as the idea of the feds forcing Americans to buy a private service seems blatantly unconstitutional.

OTOH single payer - which Obama opposed - would have freed up small businesses from the burden of healthcare costs and allowed them to be competitive ; there's a reason why so many US businesses have relocated to Canada and why Canada is doing much better than the US.
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