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Old 08-11-2010, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Teddy's 'Square Deal' for one.

FDR's 'New Deal' for the other. Specific to that would be the 1932-37 period when the NRA (real one) and other programs cut the unemployment rate in half.
After 1937 we have the same type of situation we see at present- a cutback in gov't spending and little private sector spending, which persisted until the big government spending program that at last killed the 30's Depression:

WWII.

The mixed economy of 1946-73 for the third.

And this is no 'Recession', this is a Depression.
If the NRA(the real one) was so good why did the Supreme Court declare it unconstitutional like so many of FDR's programs. Leading him to try to get Congress to allow him to appoint 6 more judges and admit that he was trying to skirt the Constitution. I lived through that whole depression as a small child and don't remember my Democrat dad bragging about the government doing anything to help anyone.
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Old 08-11-2010, 01:25 PM
 
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And where are employers supposed to get the money to pay higher salaries when mandatory health care costs are increasing dramatically every year?
Also, they have to wonder what will happen to them with the threats to allow the wealthy people to pay much higher taxes so the government has funds to pay the unemployed people.
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Old 08-11-2010, 01:29 PM
 
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Yes a mandate that is occurring in 4 years on the individual is clearly affecting cheap cry baby companies in the present.

If they can't afford to pay more money, then it would seem the invisible hand of the free market has made its judgment.
I see that over there at Kos and HuffPo they aren't admitting that these people know their income taxes will rise steeply next January. Keep on talking about the healthcare bill that will go into effect some day but you must realize that all of us will be paying higher taxes to finance that law. Oh yeah, hide and watch. The middle class will all of a sudden become a bunch of people who make too close to $250,000 annually and all of us will get to see out taxes raised and all of a sudden you may find out just who got money from the Bush decreases. It was all of us and our taxes will be raised by the Dems allowing the Bush cuts to die.
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Old 08-11-2010, 01:31 PM
 
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If the NRA(the real one) was so good why did the Supreme Court declare it unconstitutional like so many of FDR's programs. Leading him to try to get Congress to allow him to appoint 6 more judges and admit that he was trying to skirt the Constitution. I lived through that whole depression as a small child and don't remember my Democrat dad bragging about the government doing anything to help anyone.
You need to read History then.

Because the Court then- as today- was corrupt; represented business interests.
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Old 08-11-2010, 01:38 PM
 
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Yes a mandate that is occurring in 4 years on the individual is clearly affecting cheap cry baby companies in the present.

If they can't afford to pay more money, then it would seem the invisible hand of the free market has made its judgment.
It actually has affected current year prices significantly.

And since when is government regulation a part of the free market?

How is it a 'cheap crybaby company' when a government mandate increases health care costs by 23% (like it has at my company)?

10% increase is normal, 23% is quite a blow, and it means no employee will get a raise for a few years to make up for it.
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Old 08-11-2010, 01:41 PM
 
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I'm not sure how the Square Deal relates other than new regulation on otherwise unregulated industries. I'm not of the opinion that either of the tenets of this creation were economic boosters? Feel free to disagree if you think i'm overlooking something.

I've always been a proponent of the Works Project Administration and the Civilian Conservation Corps. When the Stimulus was first being talked about, I was supremely hoping that a modern CCC would be created. Unfortunately, it was nothing but a union payoff.

WWII undoubtedly pulled us out of our stooper. But, again, how does that relate to the current economic situation?

Where are you connecting the dots of past government intervention with that of current government intervention? I'm not seeing the similarities.
Square Deal:

What was unique in Teddy's action re: the Coal Strike?

How did it signal widespread change?

I also wanted a modern CCC, but that would be the only thing that a Corporate Obama feared more than a continuing Depression:

Proof that Progressive policies could cure an economic downturn.
Which is why the Stim became just another tax cut for businesses.
See how well that worked.

War is the one government spending program that the business interests back; my question is who are we gonna attack that will give us the payoff?

And what happens when it does not produce prosperity for the masses?

Today's situation is so like the 1937-41 period in US History as to be ignored at peril.
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Old 08-11-2010, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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You need to read History then.

Because the Court then- as today- was corrupt; represented business interests.
Since FDR was my hero back when I was in college and taking all those history classes I know your side of the story but I have made the puppy opens eyes change over to the other side and I realize that he thought he could appoint 6 people who he owned and get his socialistic programs installed. I think I have read enough about my hero to know what he tried to do with the Suprem Court. The Supreme Court right now isn't what you lefties would like to see but they are just one bullet or one heart attack away from it. Don't keep score of the votes of the Obama appointments too good or you will see what I am talking about.
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Old 08-11-2010, 01:48 PM
 
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Maybe employers should also follow the laws of supply and demand and offer more cash. If they, ya know, paid more money people would probably take the work?? Call me crazy!

Also do you even know anyone that's unemployed. Your point of view seems to come from a very sheltered perspective.

Pretty sure most people would like to live above the level of pay you get from unemployment.
But what happens when unemployment runs out?
Then corporations will have people over a barrel. They'll have to take a job somewhere.
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Old 08-11-2010, 01:48 PM
 
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I'll concede that perhaps my view is somewhat "sheltered." But, lets be honest. There are jobs. Many of them menial. Many of them not. And as the article suggests, they're not being filled. There has to be a reason for this. I'm of the opinion that it's because its way too easy to accept unemployment than settle for something less than their experience (or ego) allows.
Do you remember this part of a speech supporting the last unemployment bill? Somehow this very powerful politician got her foot in her mouth and just couldn't get it out. However, she did get her people to vote for the bill. I guess she fooled them with these words.

Breitbart.tv » Pelosi: Unemployment Checks Fastest Way to Create Jobs
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Old 08-11-2010, 01:51 PM
 
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There has to be a reason for this.
Well, let's say you are a qualified machine tool operator who is out of work with an underwater mortgage in Florida, with a couple of kids, and a wife who has a part-time job in the area.

How exactly are you going to be able to afford or justify a relocation to Ohio to take up a $13/hr. job that could vanish at any time (just like your previous job), especially if your wife can't find anything comparable?

Does the company even offer relocation expenses?
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