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Old 08-18-2010, 11:22 AM
 
Location: California
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I don't get the controversy over this particualar drug. This kind of thing happens ALL THE TIME. Drugs are tested and tried for thing other than what they have been approved for and decisions are made regarding their effectiveness.
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:28 AM
 
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Price controls over the final product? How would you do that if it costs $x.xx amount to manufacture when you factor in salaries, overhead, etc...? Government subsidy to bring the costs down? That's the only thing I can see working unless you slash the employees pay to bring down final product cost. And that is not something I advocate.
Whatever it takes. It is immoral in the extreme to permit people to sicken and die over some pharmaceutical company's bottom line - and we end up paying for it anyway, one way or the other.

I'd prefer not to use direct subsidies, but rather a more incentive-driven approach like tax credits. It works wonderfully for financing affordable housing (or did, before the syndication rates crashed), I can't see why it wouldn't work for health care too.

And there are a lot of other ideas out there too - but the pharma industry really isn't interested in listening. They will not do anything unless and until they are forced to.

Sadly that will require some kind of government intervention.
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Texas
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So "those payors" will have to wait longer. The rest of us, whose insurance does not change will, therefore, see no change. But "those payors" had no insurance before so how are they worse off?
You will see more people drop off of private insurance and go to the govt programs...until there are no more private insurance companies. Then we're all worse off.
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:29 AM
 
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Good. Then you better spread that philosophy to the food, housing, personal training, and security companies.
I do. I am a consumer advocate, in a sense.
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:31 AM
 
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Obamacare is all about CONTROL. People getting healthcare...not so much.
I really don't care to hear about your ideology, or engage in another tiresome debate about our current POTUS.

You don't like Obama. We get it. Moving on.
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:39 AM
 
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Price controls.


I have no problem letting them make a tidy profit, but not at the expense of people dying because they can't afford medicine.

We're supposed to be a civilized country.
Well private insurance companies do it all the time. If a specifc treatment or therapy doesn't meet with your insurance company's approval THEY WILL DENY COVERAGE FOR THAT TREATMENT NO MATTER HOW EFFECTIVE IT MIGHT BE.

WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE!


There was a recent episode of "Boston General" where a man's insurance company initially denied him a heart transplant. By the time they got around to changing their minds the man's condition had deteriorated to the point where a transplant was no longer a viable option. The man died shorthly thereafter.

This happens all the time. Why are people O.K. with the fact that private insurance companies have maximum limits based on your policy? Once you exceed those limits you are longer covered. Yet when the government has similar practices people or in an uproar.
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:46 AM
 
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Well private insurance companies do it all the time. If a specifc treatment or therapy doesn't meet with your insurance company's approval THEY WILL DENY COVERAGE FOR THAT TREATMENT NO MATTER HOW EFFECTIVE IT MIGHT BE.

WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE!
Trust me, I know more about health insurance companies than any reasonable person should. I used to prosecute physicians for fraud - so usually I was on the side of the insurance company. I found them just as reprehensible as the dirtbag doctors committing fraud.

No honor among thieves.
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Old 08-18-2010, 12:08 PM
 
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Our system certainly needs overhauling but I'm afraid obamas plan to enrich the insurance companies by forcing folks to pay high rates is going to fail. And make no mistake the rates will be as high as a mortgage payment per month. Many will choose high deductibles to avoid high monthly rates in which care is still not affordable for many middle class people. It will hurt smaller private businesses not corporations, not state and federal governments because they'll still get the sweetheart deals from these thieves.
Where have you been? They already have been as high as mortgage rates. I'm lucky, and have both insurance and Indian Healthcare available, but I have friends who pay up to a $1,000/month for insurance. If it were me, I'd say p*ss on that! I won't pay.
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Old 08-18-2010, 12:38 PM
 
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You will see more people drop off of private insurance and go to the govt programs...until there are no more private insurance companies. Then we're all worse off.

Right now, there is no generalized government insurance programs so I don't get how we will see people dropping off private insurance to go on it.
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Old 08-18-2010, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Right now, there is no generalized government insurance programs so I don't get how we will see people dropping off private insurance to go on it.
*sigh* The 'public option.' Remember? The new medicaid folk.
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