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Old 08-22-2010, 05:32 PM
 
Location: USA
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^^ People really don't get the picture.

There's always gonna be bosses. And theres always gonna be employees. Not everyone is gonna be a boss. Not everyone has the skills to be a great hairstylist. Not everybody has the skills to be a great athlete. Not everybody has the skill set to be a scientist.

The point is, that people should be FAIRLY compensated. We're talking about work here. The thing that EVERYBODY (bar a few) has to do to support themselves. When people are working (sometimes multiple jobs and gigs) and still not able to afford basic things then there's a problem.

The discrepency between CEO's pay, and the average workers pay is the highest in the world. Last I checked the #2 country's discrepency was almost half of ours. Thats a problem.
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Old 08-22-2010, 05:44 PM
 
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This is craziness. First of all the CEO has more responsibility and represents the company and is usually driving the direction of the company. The CEO didn't just wake up and become CEO. Most times its from creating a business, working in the field you sound like person who thinks losing a baseball game is unfair. The board of directors and shareholders and market prices set salaries. With that being said I'm sure many Doctors, Lawyers and such make alot of money as well and all have different salaries.
If you want to be entitled to the money you EARN I would think less taxes for everyone and when I say less taxes I dont mean tax cuts of 5cents on the dollar I mean NO INCOME TAX period!
Nobody has forced you to work your current job, be creative and earn more money if money is all you care about. Supporting yourself is important if you want more then that and luxury it comes at a price in a market place and all forms of government. I am sorry you will not have the newest Iphone and a new car next week you dont make enough money and should have picked a different profession. Of course if that is what is important to you chase your greed.
You could live better if government removed the part that says FED next to your paycheck each week and which should be that way for everyone.
Nobody is entitled to earn anymore then the next person and nobody is entitled via government to take it away.
what you want is what someone else has and your verison of fairness. The CEO has not stolen anything from you, forced you via a gun to work there and if anyting the only one taking from your paycheck is the government via gun if need be and fines if you dont pay.

Childish Liberal nonsense. I get angry at government for taking my paycheck not because I want to be the CEO and compare salaries because its money I have EARNED!
Stunningly naive perspective on CEOs.
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Old 08-22-2010, 05:58 PM
 
Location: NoVA
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America ain't never lost it's soul baby! It's all good, ya dig?

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Old 08-22-2010, 06:39 PM
 
Location: In the desert
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Sorry bud...you are worth exactly what you are paid. No more, no less. If you aren't paid enough, work harder or find another job.
You thinking is very naive if you actually believe that some people get paid only according to how hard they work.
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Old 08-23-2010, 05:53 AM
 
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You thinking is very naive if you actually believe that some people get paid only according to how hard they work.
You get paid not only for how hard you work, but for how much responsibility you have.

YOU are naive for thinking someone who works hard at a low-stress, low-responsibility job (factory worker for example) should be paid anywhere near that of a CEO for example (tens of thousands of people relying in him/her every day)
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Old 08-23-2010, 07:45 AM
 
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^^ People really don't get the picture.

There's always gonna be bosses. And theres always gonna be employees. Not everyone is gonna be a boss. Not everyone has the skills to be a great hairstylist. Not everybody has the skills to be a great athlete. Not everybody has the skill set to be a scientist.

The point is, that people should be FAIRLY compensated. We're talking about work here. The thing that EVERYBODY (bar a few) has to do to support themselves. When people are working (sometimes multiple jobs and gigs) and still not able to afford basic things then there's a problem.

The discrepency between CEO's pay, and the average workers pay is the highest in the world. Last I checked the #2 country's discrepency was almost half of ours. Thats a problem.
I worked three low paying jobs just to make it.

However, I knew that was going no where.

The low paying jobs are a stepping stone, not something to retire from.
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Old 08-23-2010, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Over the last forty years the big business casino has rigged the tables to crush the middle and working classes. Why is that so damn hard to see? We have socialized the risk (Why didn't the big banks bankrupt when their assets crashed in value? You or I would have had to.) and capitalized the profit by interlinked boards of directors setting excessive CEO compensation for each other while buying politicians to lower the top marginal tax rates. Big business does not compete; it colludes and cheats ALL of the rest of us.

We didn't lose our soul. It was stolen. Then sold to the highest bidder.
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Old 08-23-2010, 08:16 AM
 
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Over the last forty years the big business casino has rigged the tables to crush the middle and working classes. Why is that so damn hard to see? We have socialized the risk (Why didn't the big banks bankrupt when their assets crashed in value? You or I would have had to.) and capitalized the profit by interlinked boards of directors setting excessive CEO compensation for each other while buying politicians to lower the top marginal tax rates. Big business does not compete; it colludes and cheats ALL of the rest of us.

We didn't lose our soul. It was stolen. Then sold to the highest bidder.
Big banks didn't go bankrupt because your beloved government decided to bail them out. If we had a smaller national government those banks would have failed (the way it should have been)
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Old 08-23-2010, 09:39 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Over the last forty years the big business casino has rigged the tables to crush the middle and working classes. Why is that so damn hard to see? We have socialized the risk (Why didn't the big banks bankrupt when their assets crashed in value? You or I would have had to.) and capitalized the profit by interlinked boards of directors setting excessive CEO compensation for each other while buying politicians to lower the top marginal tax rates. Big business does not compete; it colludes and cheats ALL of the rest of us.

We didn't lose our soul. It was stolen. Then sold to the highest bidder.
Thank you, Greg.

That is exactly what has happened and couldn't be easier to see..as we have both lived it. Mr CEO (who has tens of thousands depending on him ) knows it, too, every bit as well as we do. But admitting it is another matter when you are a crush-er as opposed to a crush-ee.
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Old 08-23-2010, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Making a living is hard enough but when the buggers force you to "manage" your own retirement instead of having some professionals do it for you and take responsibility for doing it right and then destroy the savings and loan business so they can put all that mortgage money on the sleezeball market making certain they can speculate in housing while telling you that you have to because it will make them money and they will never be allowed to bankrupt but you will. This system is rigged and we need some politicians with the courage (something Mr Clinton never heard of and Mr. Bush never needed) to tell the big corporations that they are not in charge and are not going to be allowed to cheat. They and their executives are cheating the entire system. They are cheating the stockholders with their excessive executive compensation by voting raises across boardroom limits, cheating the small stock holder with excessive mutual fund "management" fees and cheating the government by buying lower taxes for themselves and their families.

I am beyond tired of getting ripped off. I happen to believe in capitalism and a free market but what we got ain't either. It is closer to the mercantile guilds, Hansiatic League, the Medicchi of the Middle Ages and the pirate bazaar of Dublin during the Viking era. Just one bunch of crooks after another stealing what they cannot earn.

Please excuse the misuse of the language but I am very angry and don’t feel very well either.
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