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Old 08-26-2010, 05:08 PM
 
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If you don't live down here, and you don't suffer when the oil spills, then don't tell us our business.

Every candidate I voted for in the primary opposes deep water drilling, I made it a dominant issue for me. I won't vote for anyone in the general election who supports more off shore drilling as well.

For every 8 tourists that don't come to my state, costs 1 job. We lost a hell of a lot more jobs because of the stupid oil spill, than the 23,000 that you're complaining about.


Some people either don't know or don't care about the impact of the BP oil disaster.
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Old 08-26-2010, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Do you realize how pathetic it looks to see people make the stupid error of a source fallacy? Instead of actually addressing the argument, the best you can do is to try to sound smart by attacking the source quoted.

Can you refute the argument?
While it is too early to gauge the long-term environmental or economic effects of the release of 4.9 million barrels of oil into the gulf, it now appears that the direst predictions about the moratorium will not be borne out. Even the government’s estimate of the impact of the drilling pause — 23,000 lost jobs and $10.2 billion in economic damage — is proving to be too pessimistic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/25/us/25drill.html

Um, the New York times good enough for you? Fox is going by the governments "estimates" on possible jobs lost.

Seems like the other day they were just saying how they didn't like the governments estimates.
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Old 08-26-2010, 05:15 PM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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Some people either don't know or don't care about the impact of the BP oil disaster.
C'mon leave Obama outta this....
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Old 08-26-2010, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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C'mon leave Obama outta this....
I think Obama did more than the idiots crying about more drilling, and the lost of 23,000 jobs, when we lost probably hundreds of thousands because of the lack of tourists.

We won't see the impact until the next month or two, when the bills start coming in for the summer, and businesses don't have enough money to get by.

I know of at least two companies who needed 200,000 dollars from BP just to make it, and they have only gotten 5,000 dollars so far. yeah, really getting out there fast enough to quell the problem. I guess they figure that when the doors close, they won't have to pay anymore.
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Old 08-26-2010, 05:20 PM
 
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23,000 jobs lost is nothing compared to the millions of dollars and YEARS it will take recover from this recent spill.

We have OIL on land, that has been untouched. Alaska is still prime with oil, yet we want to drill in areas that are even more dangerous.

If these 23,000 people want work, then work for the companies that are drilling on land.
Are they hiring? Perhaps you should just tell the 9.5% of the people that are unemployed to just go find jobs.
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Old 08-26-2010, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Are they hiring? Perhaps you should just tell the 9.5% of the people that are unemployed to just go find jobs.
Perhaps you should tell the people who are going to lose jobs from the lack of tourism due to the spill to go find jobs elsewhere?

Perhaps we should tell the small business owners who are going to have to close their doors that their dream and business isn't needed anymore, so just go to find jobs elsewhere?

Perhaps we should tell those who shrimp and fish that they should just start farming or something?

How about people who don't know what the conditions are on the gulf coast just shut their mouths?

You know whats funny? The same people who are crying about whats going on in New York that don't live there or understand whats going on, are the same people who are crying about a small 23,000 jobs (that hasn't been proved BTW, read the NYT's link I posted), and don't understand what things are like when you live here.
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Old 08-26-2010, 05:57 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Obama is a TOTAL job killing machine.

Wait until he stops the Bush tax cuts, you will see even more laid off workers because of his massive mistake and being such an airhead.

This is not the only place that jobs were killed because of Obama. He has killed the American dream and jobs all at the same time.

I thought he was going to create 5 million new high paying jobs? What happened? Something unexpected?

Face the facts, he is an economic disaster himself.
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:46 AM
 
Location: USA
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Drop in the bucket compared to the millions killed by Clinton and Bush.
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Old 08-27-2010, 03:06 AM
 
Location: Columbus
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You've seen fit to "blame" President Obama for issuing a moratorium on deep water drilling. But what about the flip side of the coin? Don’t the companies drilling oil have any responsibility to insure their drilling operations are safe and they have viable plans in place in case there is an accident that results in an oil spill? Keep in mind that there are some of the largest and richest companies in the world. They have the technology and monetary resources to put these plans in place and invest in the equipment. Why haven’t they done so already? For one, if takes away from profits. For another the government hasn’t INSISTED SUCH PLANS BE PUT IN PLACE.

President George Bush Jr. had eight years to get the drilling companies to put adequate plans in place to clean up a deep water spill. The drilling companies failed to do so on their own. Under the lack regulatory policies of the Bush Jr. 43 administration there was no government mandate for the oil drilling companies to have adequate and viable plans in place for a deep water oil spill.

If another deep water oil spill takes place before adequate plans are in place to clean them up you’ll blame President Obama for that too.
Bush wasn't President when this spill occured.

Obama had a year and a half to do the same thing and he didn't. If you are going to blame a government official then you blame him.
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Old 08-27-2010, 04:49 AM
 
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Thank you pal Clinton for forcing them to conduct deepwater drilling, which was the reason it took so long to rectify the spill.
Off shore drilling is no problem, deep water off shore drilling is. Another democrat screw up.

How is it a Democratic screw up? If an oil drilling company drills a deep water well it's THEIR responsibility to have the plan, equipment, and other resources in place to clean up any spill that place.

What the Deep Water Horizon disaster revealed is that oil drilling companies are in some cases using unsafe drilling practices that favor speed over safety and they have NO adequate plans or equipment in place to clean up a spill. Keep in mind that the petroleum industry has some of the largest companies in this country in terms of revenues and profits. They have the money and technical resources to develop solutions to oil spill problems BUT IT'S NOT PROFITABLE so they haven't done it and they wouldn't unless THEY ARE FORCED TO.
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